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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2670 on: June 19, 2016, 10:57:AM »
I would imagine at that particular point prior to summing up that two members of the jury changed their minds,particularly as no answer came forthwith.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2671 on: June 19, 2016, 11:07:AM »
We can see on the second page, timed at 11.45am, that DS 'Stan' Jones returned to the scene (from Jeremy's cottage), and that an entry on the third page of the same log, timed at 1.37pm, he left the scene again. Jones was therefore at the scene for two hours and fifty two minutes, at which time he took possession of a silencer (SBJ/1), and a further three exhibits, SBJ/2, SBJ/3,and SBJ/4. How utterly remarkable that DS 'Stan' Jones could not remember why he returned to the scene having left earlier to go to Jeremy's cottage with DC 'Mick' Clark, and of course Jeremy, when COLP interviewed him in 1992? You don't forget something like that so easily. He returned to the scene at 11.45am that particular morning and took photographs in the kitchen, and the downstairs toilet, took possession of a calendar, and a silencer. One or other of the photographs, or both were 'DESTRYOED' according to police documentation. Now, why would the cops want to destroy any of these pieces of evidence taken at the crime scene earlier that morning?

If 'Stan' left the scene at 1.37pm, that date, where did he go from there, before he eventually arrived back at Jeremy's cottage? Bearing in mind that Jeremy's cottage was only three and a half miles away?

Did 'Stan' take the silencer and deposit it along with the other three exhibits (SBJ/1,SBJ/2, SBJ/3, and SBJ/4) either at Witham police station, or Chelmsford police station?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2672 on: June 19, 2016, 11:20:AM »
Nobody should trust anything that DS 'Stan' Jones did in helping to change the course of the investigation. He was a 'bad apple' cop. He had his fingers into almost everything that is dodgy with key components of the evidence. Nobody should trust anything he had to say. He was a crook wearing a badge.

He had his fingers in the crime scene ammunition, he had his fingers in the silencer evidence, and he had his fingers into Julie Mugford and her evidence. To cap it wall off, he used a dodgy notebook which had been issued to him on or before the 5th November 1984, which he saved in his possession in a blank condition, so that he could rewrite his notes about the bambercase inside it, hiding his true involvement in the investigation of the so called Bamber  case, from 7th August 1985, onwards...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2673 on: June 19, 2016, 11:38:AM »
'Stan' Jones, was at the heart of the 'tamperings' of the batch of crime scene ammunition - his signature appears on many of the 'GENERAL EXAMINATION RECORDS' drafted at the lab'. What was somebody like 'him' doing at the lab' signing these records, he shouldn't have been at the lab' inferring with the ballistics evidence. He re-wrote his notebook to conceal for the fact that he took part at the lab' in producing a lie to the effect that there had only been one gun used in the shootings, when he knew that at least two, possibly three different ones had been used...

For example, you can't fire bullets which make 1/2 inch diameter entry wound holes from a .22 rifle...

Yet, several of the bullet entry wounds on some of the victims are confirmed as having been 1/2 inch in diameter. Now, considering that almost every wound on every victim has been described as being 'contact' or 'near contact' in nature, how is it possible for a bullet to start 'yawing' to such a significant extent immediately upon exiting the .22 rifles barrel?

It can't have done...

A different gun, other than the .22 anshuzt rifle fired the bullets which made the 1/2 inch diameter wounds, there can be no doubt whatsoever, about that...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2674 on: June 19, 2016, 11:41:AM »
List of witnesses seen since 15th August 1985:-
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2675 on: June 19, 2016, 12:10:PM »
'Stan' Jones, was at the heart of the 'tamperings' of the batch of crime scene ammunition - his signature appears on many of the 'GENERAL EXAMINATION RECORDS' drafted at the lab'. What was somebody like 'him' doing at the lab' signing these records, he shouldn't have been at the lab' inferring with the ballistics evidence. He re-wrote his notebook to conceal for the fact that he took part at the lab' in producing a lie to the effect that there had only been one gun used in the shootings, when he knew that at least two, possibly three different ones had been used...

For example, you can't fire bullets which make 1/2 inch diameter entry wound holes from a .22 rifle...

Yet, several of the bullet entry wounds on some of the victims are confirmed as having been 1/2 inch in diameter. Now, considering that almost every wound on every victim has been described as being 'contact' or 'near contact' in nature, how is it possible for a bullet to start 'yawing' to such a significant extent immediately upon exiting the .22 rifles barrel?

It can't have done...

A different gun, other than the .22 anshuzt rifle fired the bullets which made the 1/2 inch diameter wounds, there can be no doubt whatsoever, about that...

According to the Pathologists (Venezis) witness statement, dated, 30th September, 1985, he described the dimensions of the following bullet entry wounds as being precisely 1/2 inch :-

Ralph Bamber ..

Page 6 - (3) 1/2 inch
Page 6 - (4) 1/2 inch, and 1/2 inch
Page 7 - (8) 1/2 inch graze

June Bamber ..

Page 13 - (8) 1/2 inch

Daniel Caffell ..

Page 15 - (second para') 1/2 inch
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2676 on: June 19, 2016, 12:25:PM »
Full list of bullet entry wound 'DIMENSIONS' to all victims:-

Sheila Caffell..

Page 2 - (last para') 3/16 inch (1)
Page 3 - (second para') 1/4 inch (1)

Ralph Bamber

Page 6 - (1) 3/16 inch (2)
Page 6 - (2) 3/16 inch (3)
Page 6 - (3) 1/2 inch (1)
Page 6 - (4) 1/2 inch (2) and 1/2 inch (3)
Page 7 - (5) 5/16 inch (1)
Page 7 - (6) 5/16 inch (2)
Page 7 - (7) 3/16 inch (4)
Page 7 - (8) 1/2 inch graze near left elbow

June Bamber

Page 11 - (1) 3/16 inch (5)
Page 12 - (2) 3/16 inch (6)
Page 12 - (3) 1/4 inch (2)
Page 12 - (4) 3/16 inch (7)
Page 12 - (6) 3/16 inch (8)
Page 13 - (7) 1/2 inch (4)

Daniel Caffell

Page 15 - (first para') all 5 were 3/16 inch's (9 to 13)
Page 15 - (second para) 1/2 inch exit wound
Page 15 - (second para) 5/16 inch exit wound

Nicholas's Caffell

Page 16 - (fourth para') 3/16 inch (14)
Page 16 - (fourth para') 3/16 inch (15)
Page 16 - ( fourth para') 3/16 inch (16)
Page 16 - (fifth para') 3/8 inch exit wound

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2677 on: June 19, 2016, 12:55:PM »
Essex police originally took an interest in the following weapons in connection with this investigation:-

(1) - a police issue weapon and accessories, ammunition
(2) - anshuzt rifle, accessories, and .22 ammunition
(3) - Bruno rifle, accessories, and .22 ammunition
(4) - BSA air rifle, and pellets
(5) - 12 bore shot gun, and a spent Raker cartridge
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2678 on: June 19, 2016, 01:24:PM »
It was pointed out to DS Davidson during his COLP interview, that the silencer (item 22) had originally been item 12, but that somebody had altered this. Davidson did not know whom?

Relevance being that items (1) to (12) were recovered from the scene on the first day of the investigation, for example, at the same time when DS 'Stan' Jones took possession of the first silencer (SBJ/1) and the other exhibits (SBJ/2, SBJ/3, and SBJ/4). This seems to suggest that the silencer (SBJ/1) recovered at the scene on 7th August 1985 by DS 'Stan' Jones originally had the item number of 12, and that the silencer SJ/1 handed to 'Ron' Cook on the 13th August 1985, from Peter Eaton was numbered 22...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2679 on: June 19, 2016, 01:33:PM »
It was pointed out to DS Davidson during his COLP interview, that the silencer (item 22) had originally been item 12, but that somebody had altered this. Davidson did not know whom?

Relevance being that items (1) to (12) were recovered from the scene on the first day of the investigation, for example, at the same time when DS 'Stan' Jones took possession of the first silencer (SBJ/1) and the other exhibits (SBJ/2, SBJ/3, and SBJ/4). This seems to suggest that the silencer (SBJ/1) recovered at the scene on 7th August 1985 by DS 'Stan' Jones originally had the item number of 12, and that the silencer SJ/1 handed to 'Ron' Cook on the 13th August 1985, from Peter Eaton was numbered 22...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2680 on: June 19, 2016, 02:04:PM »
DS Davidson lied about his involvement with 'the' silencer. He told a deliberate lie because he knew that if he had admitted to fingerprinting 'it' along with DS Eastwood on the 13th September 1885, the ' game would be up'. Since, why were they re-fingerprinting 'the' silencer on the 13th September, when in the first instance cops didn't have the silencer (DB/1) in their possession at that stage, they had supposedly sent DB/1 to the lab' on the 30th August 1985, and the ballistic expert had allegedly discovered the loose flake inside it. In addition, 'Ron' Cook had already fingerprinted the silencer, once by oblique light test on the 15th August 1985, and second by superglue treatment on the 23rd August 1985. So, why would Davidson and Eastwood be flogging a dead horse red fingerprinting it yet again on the 13th September 1985?

Davidson, lied about the role he and DS Eastwood have played in the silencer substitution process...

Here is one document which places DS Eastwood and DS Davidson to the substitution silencer (DRB/1)...

'Hands up', the game is over...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2681 on: June 19, 2016, 08:22:PM »
On the 13th August 1985, one of 'Glynis Howards' assistants (S. R. BAKER) discovered 'three different types of animals blood' on the silencer tubing...

Glynis Howard contacted Essex police on the 14th August 1985, and told them that she had detected human blood (stain 1) on the silencer, but omitted to say that there were also three different types of animal blood on it as well as 'Rabbit' (stain 1 and stain 2), dog (stain 2) and hen (unspecified stain)  blood...

It therefore falls to be taken into account, that even from as early as the 13th August 1985, that Glynis Howards assistant, 'S. R. BAKER', had identified a potential conflict involving stain 1 on the silencer, by confirming that the blood could have been either (a) animal blood (rabbit), or human blood, in particular, we are primary talking about a presence of the 'AK1' enzyme which is exactly the same in humans and 'rabbits blood'...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2682 on: June 19, 2016, 08:56:PM »
On the 13th September 1985, Human blood, and the blood from one animal (dog) was detected on the silencer...

A different assistant on this occasion ('A BIRCH')...

Human
Dog
Hen?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2683 on: June 19, 2016, 09:47:PM »
How utterly remarkable, that two different assistants ('BAKER' and 'BIRCH') confirm the presence of animal bloods on the silencer on both the 13th August, and the 13th September 1985, and nobody remembers to tell the defence about this? Worse still, the jury were not given this vital information either...

Was it of interest that, for example, one of the four blood groups enzymes detected in the flake (AK1) belonged to both animals (rabbits), and humans?

Of course'it was', but the court was not told about it by the blood experts, 'Glynis Howard', or 'John Hayward', but had they been, the jury would have surely been warned about relying upon the AK1 type blood found inside the silencer in the form of the flake, because it was a 50 / 50 chance of 'it' being animal blood, or human blood. A feature strengthened by the presence of rabbits blood found on the outside of the same silencer...

That would have left the prosecution, and the defence with only three blood group results to argue with, A, EAP BA and HP 2-1...

Of course it would have made a huge difference, since it then became an equal possibility for these three blood results to have originated from both June Bamber or Sheila Caffell, or both of them, or an intimate mixture of June Bambers and Ralph Bambers blood, or Ralph Bambers and Sheila Caffells bloods. Certainly not the nailed on certainty that was presented to the court at trial, along the lines of it belonged 'exclusively' to Sheila Caffell...

So, the blood experts, Howard and Hayward, along with their assistants BAKER and BIRCH, sought to deceive the court, and it worked in favour of the prosecutions case to a treat, a dishonest treat...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2684 on: June 19, 2016, 09:54:PM »
How utterly remarkable, that two different assistants ('BAKER' and 'BIRCH') confirm the presence of animal bloods on the silencer on both the 13th August, and the 13th September 1985, and nobody remembers to tell the defence about this? Worse still, the jury were not given this vital information either...

Was it of interest that, for example, one of the four blood groups enzymes detected in the flake (AK1) belonged to both animals (rabbits), and humans?

Of course'it was', but the court was not told about it by the blood experts, 'Glynis Howard', or 'John Hayward', but had they been, the jury would have surely been warned about relying upon the AK1 type blood found inside the silencer in the form of the flake, because it was a 50 / 50 chance of 'it' being animal blood, or human blood. A feature strengthened by the presence of rabbits blood found on the outside of the same silencer...

That would have left the prosecution, and the defence with only three blood group results to argue with, A, EAP BA and HP 2-1...

Of course it would have made a huge difference, since it then became an equal possibility for these three blood results to have originated from both June Bamber or Sheila Caffell, or both of them, or an intimate mixture of June Bambers and Ralph Bambers blood, or Ralph Bambers and Sheila Caffells bloods. Certainly not the nailed on certainty that was presented to the court at trial, along the lines of it belonged 'exclusively' to Sheila Caffell...

So, the blood experts, Howard and Hayward, along with their assistants BAKER and BIRCH, sought to deceive the court, and it worked in favour of the prosecutions case to a treat, a dishonest treat...

The documents I have posted stand testimony to the fact that the blood experts knew about the presence of animals blood upon and inside the silencer, yet this vital information was deliberately concealed from the court which tried the case. We now know that the blood of the flake was 'not unique', it was 'not exclusive' to Sheila Caffell...

There has clearly been a massive deception involving the interpretation of the blood group results by the prosecutions blood experts, and their assistants...

Heads must roll, somebody has to be seen to be made accountable for carrying out this deception...
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