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Offline lookout

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2295 on: June 03, 2016, 10:36:PM »
Really? Care to point to where I said that? Who said they sent the wrong photo? EP aren't making any claims about the picture, as far as I can see, EP handed over some pictures and grand assumptions have been made. It wouldn't be the first time! However, if I am PROVEN wrong, I will hold my hands up and say so - one day you might be able to do that too, although I won't hold my breath.





You haven't said so in as many words,but you certainly agree and go along with their investigating ( if that's what you can call it )

I'll CERTAINLY hold my hands up if I'm wrong,because that's what I'm like.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2296 on: June 03, 2016, 10:57:PM »




You haven't said so in as many words,but you certainly agree and go along with their investigating ( if that's what you can call it )

I'll CERTAINLY hold my hands up if I'm wrong,because that's what I'm like.

The ONLY thing I have agreed with - is that Jeremy is guilty. Please show me where I have gone along with their investigation? I have pointed out numerous flaws and I don't believe the silencer evidence.

So, you're wrong now - you won't admit it though and you never do.
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2297 on: June 03, 2016, 11:01:PM »
The ONLY thing I have agreed with - is that Jeremy is guilty. Please show me where I have gone along with their investigation? I have pointed out numerous flaws and I don't believe the silencer evidence.

So, you're wrong now - you won't admit it though and you never do.





To admit that JB is guilty would obviously mean that you fully agreed with the police investigation,along with their shonky statements and all. Afterall,it was EP and the silencer that put JB where he is.?

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2298 on: June 04, 2016, 12:03:AM »




To admit that JB is guilty would obviously mean that you fully agreed with the police investigation,along with their shonky statements and all. Afterall,it was EP and the silencer that put JB where he is.?

So because I think he's guilty, I believe the silencer evidence? Well, clearly I don't which makes your statement WRONG - now lets here you say it?  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2299 on: June 04, 2016, 12:51:AM »
So because I think he's guilty, I believe the silencer evidence? Well, clearly I don't which makes your statement WRONG - now lets here you say it?  ;D ;D ;D

If you think the silencer was made up why would anyone do this if the case against Jeremy was strong?
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Offline mike tesko

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2300 on: June 04, 2016, 08:28:AM »
He may well be, but any intellectual can be hoodwinked if the honeytrap is sweet enough. Just look at Hugh Trevor-Roper and the Hitler diaries.

Yeah, and the juries who convicted all the victims of miscarriages of justice...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2301 on: June 04, 2016, 08:51:AM »
It's no good anybody accepting that the silencer evidence is dodgy now, but still maintaining that Bamber is guilty, because the introduction of 'that' silencer, was designed to be the master stroke that would convince the jury that he did it. Without that silencer being introduced, Bamber would almost certainly have not been convicted, because the anshuzt rifle would not have been too long for her to have taken her own life. Let's not forget, that SOCO took at least 10 photographs inside that cupboard in the den, and that the negatives of 8 of such photographs have been removed from the negative strip. What this tells us is that SOCO did search that gun cupboard, and what is more they must have emptied that cupboard to enable them to have taken so many photographs in such a small dark space. They searched the cupboard alright, and the silencer wasn't there then (at least that is my expert opinion on the matter). That is why they got rid of the 8 photographic images which recorded all the contents of the gun cupboard on that first morning of the police investigation. It's no good people saying just because there are 8 out of 10 photographs that were taken of the contents of the cupboard 'missing' doesn't mean that the silencer wasn't there, but until those missing 8 negative strips are produced I am afraid no-one can believe that the silencer had been there in 'that' cupboard on that first morning. Now, if it wasn't there, who had possession of 'it'...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2302 on: June 04, 2016, 08:56:AM »
Well seemingly,it's been alleged that DB had said that he " had something up his sleeve "--------yes,probably the silencer !

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2303 on: June 04, 2016, 08:58:AM »
Now, let's play devils advocate, let's assume that the silencer wasn't there in 'that' cupboard on that morning, and now let's also assume that it was Sheila's blood inside the silencer, and paint ingrained on the end of it, from the aga in the kitchen...

So, if the silencer was used in the shootings, and it wasn't in the gun cupboard that morning, the killer must have retained possession of it...
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Offline mike tesko

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2304 on: June 04, 2016, 09:00:AM »
Now, let's play devils advocate, let's assume that the silencer wasn't there in 'that' cupboard on that morning, and now let's also assume that it was Sheila's blood inside the silencer, and paint ingrained on the end of it, from the aga in the kitchen...

So, if the silencer was used in the shootings, and it wasn't in the gun cupboard that morning, the killer must have retained possession of it...

Cops photographed the contents of the gun cupboard, and have 'removed' 8 of the negatives which captured all the contents of 'that' cupboard...
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Offline mike tesko

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2305 on: June 04, 2016, 09:06:AM »
If we proceed on the basis that cops 'knew' that the silencer was 'not' amongst the contents of 'that' cupboard on that first morning, hence why they got rid of all 8 photographs and corresponding negatives, then we can all be assured that Jeremy 'had not' placed 'the silencer' there in that cupboard contrary to what the prosecution case relied upon during the trial. Let us not forget, that the prosecution, nor PC Bird, informed the court that cops had got rid of 8 negatives and photographs which captured the full contents of that cupboard, on that first morning...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2306 on: June 04, 2016, 09:08:AM »
So, where does leave 'the whereabouts' of that silencer at the time 'it had not been present in that gun cupboard, on that first morning'?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2307 on: June 04, 2016, 09:13:AM »
So, where does leave 'the whereabouts' of that silencer at the time 'it had not been present in that gun cupboard, on that first morning'?
only two possibilities fall to be considered, (firstly) that cops placed the silencer back into the cupboard after its contents had been emptied and photographed, or (secondly), that the silencer had never been present inside that gun cupboard 'at all', until (a) the killer returned it, or that (b) it was never physically present in the cupboard at the scene, but was at all times 'retained' by the killer...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2308 on: June 04, 2016, 09:27:AM »
A standard technique usually adopted when someone sets out to deliberately frame someone, is for that person to introduce a piece of evidence that links the target to having been present at the crime scene, or that the evidence in question can only lead to a particular conclusion - now, let's say, that the silencer was introduced under these circumstances, because with its potential use in the commissioning of these murders, it made it 'nigh on impossible' for Sheila to have shot herself, and then afterward she had unscrewed the silencer in question, and taken it all the way downs to hide it in the aforementioned cupboard, if she was already dead, after having been shot.If this is what somebody did, they went further by making sure that some of Sheila's blood would be found within the silencer, and that paint from the aga surround also be found upon the silencer...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2309 on: June 04, 2016, 02:31:PM »
A standard technique usually adopted when someone sets out to deliberately frame someone, is for that person to introduce a piece of evidence that links the target to having been present at the crime scene, or that the evidence in question can only lead to a particular conclusion - now, let's say, that the silencer was introduced under these circumstances, because with its potential use in the commissioning of these murders, it made it 'nigh on impossible' for Sheila to have shot herself, and then afterward she had unscrewed the silencer in question, and taken it all the way downs to hide it in the aforementioned cupboard, if she was already dead, after having been shot.If this is what somebody did, they went further by making sure that some of Sheila's blood would be found within the silencer, and that paint from the aga surround also be found upon the silencer...

My experience and personal knowledge of how 'red herrings' of this nature are slipped into the case by somebody dishonestly, is that in this instance Jeremy wasn't the one who used the silencer on the gun, went to the trouble of removing it from the barrell of the gun, and hid it away inside a box inside a small cupboard in a room known as the den, as far away as was possible from where Sheila is supposed to have been shot and killed on the bedroom floor. OK let's look at it from another angle, let's say that Jeremy was the killer, and he had gone to all that trouble to fake his sisters suicide, by staging her body with only the rifle on it, having removed the silencer after he had killed her, and taken it all the way downstairs to hide it in a small box in that cupboard, which was known as 'the gun cupboard', without making sure that there wasn't any blood from any of the victims upon it, in particular none of Sheila's blood upon the silencer? Why would he not go the extra mile and clean down that silencer before he put it away? Of course he would have...

If Jeremy had been the killer of his sister, and the silencer had been on the gun when he had shot her, he would have known that the end of the silencer had come into direct contact with his sisters neck. If he had been the killer who almost got away with carrying out the perfect murders (as alleged) and he being careful enough to know that he would have to remove the silencer from the gun when he staged his sisters body, and go to the lengths of going all the way downstairs to hide the silencer away, he would surely have had the basic intelligence to check the silencer to see if any of his sisters blood had got onto it...

I do not think that the silencer was fitted to the barrell of the rifle at any stage during the shootings, but that is another matter...

It certainly wasn't present in the gun cupboard on the morning of the shootings, because cops looked in that cupboard and took 10 photographs of its contents. We know that cops removed 8 photographic negatives from a strip of 10 that were taken of the cupboards contents that morning. Cops don't remove, conceal or destroy evidence that has evidential value which benefits their case, only when it might be beneficial a defendant...

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