What makes Bamber innocent?

[Caroline]

Steve,it's in PS Woodcock's COLP statement where he states that he was,quote " struck by the fingermarks around her neck that appeared to be in blood,unquote ".

He then went on to say,quote, " there was bloodstaining on her legs and nightdress and HAVING SEEN THE BODY IN THE KITCHEN and thought of a struggle taking place  as on seeing June's body,the thought of a struggle remained,unquote ."

[lookout]

Thanks Caroline.,x

[Steve_uk]

Looking at #1724 again I would have thought had she grabbed her mother by the neck the nails might have been chipped. Were June's fingernails scrutinized for residue of any kind? It's unlikely Jeremy was involved in these marks had he worn gloves throughout.

[lookout]

Looking at #1724 again I would have thought had she grabbed her mother by the neck the nails might have been chipped. Were June's fingernails scrutinized for residue of any kind? It's unlikely Jeremy was involved in these marks had he worn gloves throughout.

Nails won't chip if they're sunk into flesh,unless you mean that had her nails been chipped prior to the neck-grab,they might have left signs ?
Unfortunately nobody's fingernails had scrapings taken from beneath them.
Maybe the said marks/prints weren't big enough in size to indicate that they were done by a male,or we'd have heard long before now.

[Steve_uk]

Nails won't chip if they're sunk into flesh,unless you mean that had her nails been chipped prior to the neck-grab,they might have left signs ?
Unfortunately nobody's fingernails had scrapings taken from beneath them.
Maybe the said marks/prints weren't big enough in size to indicate that they were done by a male,or we'd have heard long before now.

I don't see why Jeremy needs to get into physical contact with June, and though it is a curious occurrence I think I'm with maggie in that on its own it's not enough to raise serious doubts as to guilt.

[lookout]

I don't see why Jeremy needs to get into physical contact with June, and though it is a curious occurrence I think I'm with maggie in that on its own it's not enough to raise serious doubts as to guilt.

Well you know my thoughts and it's these" forgotten occurrences" which all the more increase my views on it not having been Jeremy,because in my mind I see the two women fighting to the bitter end and with Sheila's loathing for her mother makes it seem far more likely.

[sami]

Nails won't chip if they're sunk into flesh,unless you mean that had her nails been chipped prior to the neck-grab,they might have left signs ?
Unfortunately nobody's fingernails had scrapings taken from beneath them.
Maybe the said marks/prints weren't big enough in size to indicate that they were done by a male,or we'd have heard long before now.

they may chip or break if you try loading that magazine twice.which she has supposed to have done.without leaving any prints on it

[sami]

Well you know my thoughts and it's these" forgotten occurrences" which all the more increase my views on it not having been Jeremy,because in my mind I see the two women fighting to the bitter end and with Sheila's loathing for her mother makes it seem far more likely.

yet theres no blood on the front of sheila's nightie .had they been fighting to the bitter end .there surely would be.imo

[Steve_uk]

yet theres no blood on the front of sheila's nightie .had they been fighting to the bitter end .there surely would be.imo

There's also the accuracy of the shots and the way the victims were incapacitated. There's so much written about how easy Sheila would have found the gun to use, which just acts as smokescreen to Jeremy's shooting prowess.

[lookout]

yet theres no blood on the front of sheila's nightie .had they been fighting to the bitter end .there surely would be.imo

Not when she was a rifle's length away.

[Steve_uk]

But there's also the tale of her scampering around the kitchen and ascending some staircase, which does stretch credibility when you consider the state she was found.

[lookout]

She could well have only just changed into her nightdress after hurtling around. I think she'd been fully dressed prior to the shootings.

[Caroline]

Not when she was a rifle's length away.

The how did she get close enough to put her hand around June's neck?

[lookout]

The how did she get close enough to put her hand around June's neck?

Possibly when June was on the ground,or even while in bed where there'd have been less body contact.  Then again if Sheila still had her day clothes on,that's where the blood would have been.

[buddy]

The how did she get close enough to put her hand around June's neck?

After June was on the floor shot.