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Offline mike tesko

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1620 on: May 26, 2016, 05:56:PM »
Did Jeremy Bamber, stage his sisters, death scene?

'No,Sir'...

Was, Jeremy Bamber, involved in the 'murder of his sister'?

No, Sir, 'He was not'...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1621 on: May 26, 2016, 05:58:PM »
Who, 'shot Sheila'?

'Cops, did'...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1622 on: May 26, 2016, 05:59:PM »
Did, 'Jeremy Bamber, legitimately pass the lie detector test'?

Yes...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1623 on: May 26, 2016, 06:01:PM »
Did, 'Jeremy Bamber, legitimately pass the lie detector test'?

Yes...

'Why, did  he pass the lie detector test'?

Because, ladies and gentlemen, 'he was telling the truth'...

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Offline mike tesko

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1624 on: May 26, 2016, 06:02:PM »
'Why, did  he pass the lie detector test'?

Because, ladies and gentlemen, 'he was telling the truth'...

He, 'was telling the truth'...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1625 on: May 26, 2016, 06:05:PM »

Tell us what's confusing you Sami. We'll see if we can sort you out :)
if thinks mikes hypnotized me
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1626 on: May 26, 2016, 07:11:PM »
That transcript of the trial testimony by forensic scientist Brian Elliott certainly excludes Sheila from any involvement as both her hands were almost lead free proving she could not have loaded cartridges into the magazine but then we already knew that.

Back to the drawing board Mike!

As I have pointed out to you before, .22 rim-fire ammunition does not use a conventional propellant that centre fire ammunition used rendering the tests useless. The American authorities never fully realised this until 1989 and got the manufactures to include the ingrediants that would work.

Here is part of page 208 of the book Forensic Science From the Crime Scene to the Crime Lab by RICHARD SAFERSTEIN, PH.D. Forensic Science Consultant, Mt. Laurel


However, hand swabbing or the application of an adhesive cannot be
used to detect firings of most .22-caliber rim-fire ammunition
. Such ammunition’s
primer may contain only barium or neither barium nor antimony



Here is an extract of page 101 of Current methods in forensic gunshot residue analysis by
A. J. Schwoeble and David L. Exline forensic scientists at RJ Lee Group


The manufactures of Remington rimfire ammunition is ELEY LTD


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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1627 on: May 26, 2016, 07:20:PM »
As I have pointed out to you before, .22 rim-fire ammunition does not use a conventional propellant that centre fire ammunition used rendering the tests useless. The American authorities never fully realised this until 1989 and got the manufactures to include the ingrediants that would work.

Here is part of page 208 of the book Forensic Science From the Crime Scene to the Crime Lab by RICHARD SAFERSTEIN, PH.D. Forensic Science Consultant, Mt. Laurel


However, hand swabbing or the application of an adhesive cannot be
used to detect firings of most .22-caliber rim-fire ammunition
. Such ammunition’s
primer may contain only barium or neither barium nor antimony



Here is an extract of page 101 of Current methods in forensic gunshot residue analysis by
A. J. Schwoeble and David L. Exline forensic scientists at RJ Lee Group


The manufactures of Remington rimfire ammunition is ELEY LTD

she should have had beeswax on her hands from loading the rifle beeswax is the same thing as oil.had they found beeswax would they not have mentioned it

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1628 on: May 26, 2016, 07:49:PM »
'Why, did  he pass the lie detector test'?

Because, ladies and gentlemen, 'he was telling the truth'...

There is no such thing as a lie detector - it's a polygraph and it measures stress and anxiety.
Few people have the imagination for reality

Offline mike tesko

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1629 on: May 26, 2016, 08:43:PM »
As I have pointed out to you before, .22 rim-fire ammunition does not use a conventional propellant that centre fire ammunition used rendering the tests useless. The American authorities never fully realised this until 1989 and got the manufactures to include the ingrediants that would work.

Here is part of page 208 of the book Forensic Science From the Crime Scene to the Crime Lab by RICHARD SAFERSTEIN, PH.D. Forensic Science Consultant, Mt. Laurel


However, hand swabbing or the application of an adhesive cannot be
used to detect firings of most .22-caliber rim-fire ammunition
. Such ammunition’s
primer may contain only barium or neither barium nor antimony



Here is an extract of page 101 of Current methods in forensic gunshot residue analysis by
A. J. Schwoeble and David L. Exline forensic scientists at RJ Lee Group


The manufactures of Remington rimfire ammunition is ELEY LTD


Well done, David - much respect...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1630 on: May 26, 2016, 08:50:PM »
There is no such thing as a lie detector - it's a polygraph and it measures stress and anxiety.

OK, the UK expert who performed the test, has gone on 'record' as saying that he 'believes Jeremy has told the truth' in response to the questions 'he has asked of him', and the 'answers he has given'...

Was the expert, right, or wrong?

Under the circumstances, 'did Jeremy lie'?

Or, 'did he tell the truth'...

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1631 on: May 26, 2016, 09:10:PM »
This man (Jeremy Bamber) wasn't clever enough to carry out the murders in the way alleged by the prosecutions case, back in August, 1985. He was not intelligent enough, and did not possesses what it 'might take' to almost be 'the person capable of executing the near perfect murders'. For my part (since 1989, onward) Jeremy was incapable of being the 'intelligent monster' that police and the prosecution made him out to be. I found him to be 'lacking in status',  'not' to 'be that person', either 'intellectually', or 'psychologically', he would in my estimation have qualified to be nothing more than 'an amateur', the 'total opposite' to the kind of person required for him to be, to have carried out the 'atrocities' he has been accused and 'convicted' of having committed...

On a scale of 1 to 10, I would place 'Jeremy' at level 2 of being 'involved' in the shootings of his family...

Basically put, he was 'too thick' to have had the ability to have even attempted to 'carry out the murders' he has been 'accused of committing', and 'carried out'...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1632 on: May 26, 2016, 09:13:PM »
This man (Jeremy Bamber) wasn't clever enough to carry out the murders in the way alleged by the prosecutions case, back in August, 1985. He was not intelligent enough, and did not possesses what it 'might take' to almost be 'the person capable of executing the near perfect murders'. For my part (since 1989, onward) Jeremy was incapable of being the 'intelligent monster' that police and the prosecution made him out to be. I found him to be 'lacking in status',  'not' to 'be that person', either 'intellectually', or 'psychologically', he would in my estimation have qualified to be nothing more than 'an amateur', the 'total opposite' to the kind of person required for him to be, to have carried out the 'atrocities' he has been accused and 'convicted' of having committed...

On a scale of 1 to 10, I would place 'Jeremy' at level 2 of being 'involved' in the shootings of his family...

Basically put, he was 'too thick' to have had the ability to have even attempted to 'carry out the murders' he has been 'accused of committing', and 'carried out'...
Removed from the stifling, bragging atmosphere of Gresham's he did settle down to work at Colchester College, where he achieved 7 "0" Levels-no mean feat. If someone had the time, the nous and the motive they could well have planned this crime over a period of months as he mulled things over during solitary rides of the tractor..

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1633 on: May 26, 2016, 09:18:PM »
This man (Jeremy Bamber) wasn't clever enough to carry out the murders in the way alleged by the prosecutions case, back in August, 1985. He was not intelligent enough, and did not possesses what it 'might take' to almost be 'the person capable of executing the near perfect murders'. For my part (since 1989, onward) Jeremy was incapable of being the 'intelligent monster' that police and the prosecution made him out to be. I found him to be 'lacking in status',  'not' to 'be that person', either 'intellectually', or 'psychologically', he would in my estimation have qualified to be nothing more than 'an amateur', the 'total opposite' to the kind of person required for him to be, to have carried out the 'atrocities' he has been accused and 'convicted' of having committed...

On a scale of 1 to 10, I would place 'Jeremy' at level 2 of being 'involved' in the shootings of his family...

Basically put, he was 'too thick' to have had the ability to have even attempted to 'carry out the murders' he has been 'accused of committing', and 'carried out'...

I have been 'incarcerated' with hundreds of people who have had 'the misfortune' to have killed people. Whether it be by 'acts of terrorism', 'spontaneous', or 'domestically orientated'...

Jeremy Bamber has come across to me, as 'being someone' lacking in the 'know how', intellectual and psychologically, of being 'capable' of having involvement in 'this type of' murder...

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1634 on: May 26, 2016, 09:20:PM »
Removed from the stifling, bragging atmosphere of Gresham's he did settle down to work at Colchester College, where he achieved 7 "0" Levels-no mean feat. If someone had the time, the nous and the motive they could well have planned this crime over a period of months as he mulled things over during solitary rides of the tractor..

'Street wise', Jeremy Bamber was 'a wassock'. He was 'pathetic', a person who thought he was better than the average 'Joe', simply because he 'had people from a good background, behind him'...
« Last Edit: May 26, 2016, 09:24:PM by mike tesko »
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