What makes Bamber innocent?

[mike tesko]

Cops 'betrayed' the trust they had negotiated, and tried to trick their way into the farmhouse, demonstrating that they cared very little, if anything at all, for any victim who was injured inside that farmhouse...

There was only one reason why armed cops 'betrayed' the negotiated truce, and it was not with trying to protect life, it can't have been, otherwise they would have 'sent in the ambulance which had been requested, with its crew to tend to the needy'. No, armed cops had only one thing in their minds, they were going to teach the 'goddam bitch' inside that farmhouse, that if you fuck with armed cops, you had better be prepared for a war'...

That's the way I see it...

I see it that way because despite what you might think, bad apple cops tell lies all of the time. Especially, a bad apple cop in possession of a loaded firearm...

I'll say it, as I truly believe it to be true...

PC Collins, was a bad apple cop in possession of a loaded firearm, he was 'unfit' to be given possession of a loaded firearm. Why? Well, the 'cracker jack officer' was clearly prepared to lie for the cause, and that makes him 'unsuitable', for him to be trusted with a loaded firearm. PS Woodcock, might as well have been one of the senior officers at 'Hillsboro' altering his witness statement to conceal what truly took place. Where are the original notes, of the substituted pages of his witness statement which deal with what really happened as he went around the edge of the internal kitchen door with the barrel of his gun having been 'grabbed' by Sheila, and he in a position at first, where he had no control of whether he could shoot her dead, or not...

He had no self - control because of the fact that until he physically got into the kitchen, he couldn't shoot Sheila, even if he had wanted to, by virtue of the fact that the muzzle end of his guns barrel was always pointing in the wrong direction, away from Sheila, until he got around the leading edge of 'that' door...

[sami]

I'll say it, as I truly believe it to be true...

PC Collins, was a bad apple cop in possession of a loaded firearm, he was 'unfit' to be given possession of a loaded firearm. Why? Well, the 'cracker jack officer' was clearly prepared to lie for the cause, and that makes him 'unsuitable', for him to be trusted with a loaded firearm. PS Woodcock, might as well have been one of the senior officers at 'Hillsboro' altering his witness statement to conceal what truly took place. Where are the original notes, of the substituted pages of his witness statement which deal with what really happened as he went around the edge of the internal kitchen door with the barrel of his gun having been 'grabbed' by Sheila, and he in a position at first, where he had no control of whether he could shoot her dead, or not...

He had no self - control because of the fact that until he physically got into the kitchen, he couldn't shoot Sheila, even if he had wanted to, by virtue of the fact that the muzzle end of his guns barrel was always pointing in the wrong direction, away from Sheila, until he got around the leading edge of 'that' door...

i see what your saying

[mike tesko]

The way I see how it panned out, the way I see how it panned out, is like 'the waving of a white flag by the enemy', an enemy which has realised it cannot win, demoralised to the extent that they embarrassingly 'capitulate', they fly 'the flag of honour' with courage in that moment of defeat, expecting the 'victors', or the one who can taste 'victory', to be merciful, and sympathetic. Until ''that' moment, everyone's life hangs in the balance. life and death, could go this way, or that way in a shoot out...

It takes 'guts' to surrender...

[buddy]

The way I see how it panned out, the way I see how it panned out, is like 'the waving of a white flag by the enemy', an enemy which has realised it cannot win, demoralised to the extent that they embarrassingly 'capitulate', they fly 'the flag of honour' with courage in that moment of defeat, expecting the 'victors', or the one who can taste 'victory', to be merciful, and sympathetic. Until ''that' moment, everyone's life hangs in the balance. life and death, could go this way, or that way in a shoot out...

It takes 'guts' to surrender...

But it was the under the chin shot that was fatal, not the neck shot.

[mike tesko]

The way I see how it panned out, the way I see how it panned out, is like 'the waving of a white flag by the enemy', an enemy which has realised it cannot win, demoralised to the extent that they embarrassingly 'capitulate', they fly 'the flag of honour' with courage in that moment of defeat, expecting the 'victors', or the one who can taste 'victory', to be merciful, and sympathetic. Until ''that' moment, everyone's life hangs in the balance. life and death, could go this way, or that way in a shoot out...

It takes 'guts' to surrender...

Which is 'all the more' reason, for the defeated to take on a 'stance' of horror at being fooled and deceived by 'the enemy', into thinking that the enemy might honour the display of a 'white flag' type gesture, yet suddenly find themselves 'consumed' by the 'true nature' in the mindset of the enemy, 'concur, subdue, annihilate the enemy', at all costs, no matter what atrocities need to be committed, 'we can justify what we do, and what we have done, because 'we are the victors', and as everyone knows, it is from the side of the 'victors', that history is recorded...

[sami]

Which is 'all the more' reason, for the defeated to take on a 'stance' of horror at being fooled and deceived by 'the enemy', into thinking that the enemy might honour the display of a 'white flag' type gesture, yet suddenly find themselves 'consumed' by the 'true nature' in the mindset of the enemy, 'concur, subdue, annihilate the enemy', at all costs, no matter what atrocities need to be committed, 'we can justify what we do, and what we have done, because 'we are the victors', and as everyone knows, it is from the side of the 'victors', that history is recorded...

well said mike. here here

[Caroline]

Which is 'all the more' reason, for the defeated to take on a 'stance' of horror at being fooled and deceived by 'the enemy', into thinking that the enemy might honour the display of a 'white flag' type gesture, yet suddenly find themselves 'consumed' by the 'true nature' in the mindset of the enemy, 'concur, subdue, annihilate the enemy', at all costs, no matter what atrocities need to be committed, 'we can justify what we do, and what we have done, because 'we are the victors', and as everyone knows, it is from the side of the 'victors', that history is recorded...

Not always a good thing, look at American history - accounts written about the native American people have been re-written. History can be biased by an individuals view point at the time of writing.

[Jane]

Not always a good thing, look at American history - accounts written about the native American people have been re-written. History can be biased by an individuals view point at the time of writing.

Yeah. That's what often happens when the victors get to write the history of the vanquished, Caroline.

[sami]

sorry everyone if iam a bit confused today ive been on the sauce .still abit groggy

[Jane]

sorry everyone if iam a bit confused today ive been on the sauce .still abit groggy

Tell us what's confusing you Sami. We'll see if we can sort you out

[mike tesko]

Ok, this is the way I view this particular case - Bamber is convicted, we start to believe everything that the prosecution has been saying, because, 'they won'...

[mike tesko]

Ok, this is the way I view this particular case - Bamber is convicted, we start to believe everything that the prosecution has been saying, because, 'they won'...

We all tend to believe that something is 'true' because. 'somebody won', and 'somebody lost'...

[mike tesko]

We all tend to believe that something is 'true' because. 'somebody won', and 'somebody lost'...

Sometimes, 'it is not always true', that 'what the winners say is true', but moreover, that what the losers say, has more 'truth' in it...

[mike tesko]

Sometimes, 'it is not always true', that 'what the winners say is true', but moreover, that what the losers say, has more 'truth' in it...

Did Jeremy Bamber kill his sister, 'No, Sir'...

[mike tesko]

Did Jeremy Bamber, stage his sisters, death scene?

'No,Sir'...