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Offline Caroline

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1575 on: May 26, 2016, 12:07:AM »
I gathered that, like David Boutflour once said, 'nobody wins, we all lose'...

To be fair, 'we' don't - we get on with out day to day lives. We just debate this case. It doesn't affect my life but I think at times people get too drawn in, I have myself from time to time but we need to keep things in perspective.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1576 on: May 26, 2016, 12:07:AM »
No, I am not posting it because of the attempt to undermine me...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1577 on: May 26, 2016, 12:09:AM »
To be fair, 'we' don't - we get on with out day to day lives. We just debate this case. It doesn't affect my life but I think at times people get too drawn in, I have myself from time to time but we need to keep things in perspective.

Don't you ever think 'why the hell do I bother'?

'Sometimes', I do yeah, but...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1578 on: May 26, 2016, 12:12:AM »
I have, but now you have tried to interfere, I shan't be posting it...

Pretty poor show Mike, you can fool some of the people some of the time...   ;D

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1579 on: May 26, 2016, 12:14:AM »
That transcript of the trial testimony by forensic scientist Brian Elliott certainly excludes Sheila from any involvement as both her hands were almost lead free proving she could not have loaded cartridges into the magazine but then we already knew that.

Back to the drawing board Mike!
« Last Edit: May 26, 2016, 12:21:AM by John »

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1580 on: May 26, 2016, 12:25:AM »
I often sit alone during the night hours, with a smart glass of 'Bushmills' nector, and contemplate whether or not, everything I have put myself through just to get to the truth in this case, has been worth it?

Many times, I have been left thinking that having to deal with all this aggravation, isn't worth the input and the concern invested, but in my heart of hearts, I know that somebody has to try to get to the truth, I would never have been able to forgive myself if I hadn't gone that extra mile...

I know the truth about what really happened inside whf that night, but many of you can only guess...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1581 on: May 26, 2016, 12:26:AM »
That transcript of the trial testimony by forensic scientist Brian Elliott certainly excludes Sheila from any involvement as both her hands were almost lead free proving she could not have loaded cartridges into the magazine but then we already knew that.

Back to the drawing board Mike!

The fingers of Sheila's right hand, were 'wiped' on the front lower right hand side of her blue nightdress, so prey tell us all, how you have arrived at 'your theory'?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1582 on: May 26, 2016, 12:31:AM »
Sheila, wiped the fingers of the hand she loaded the additional rounds into the gun, so what explanation can you now offer to make sense of the experiment conducted by lab' volunteers, who 'did not' wipe their own hands after loading rounds into the ammunition magazine of the gun?

Oh, dear...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1583 on: May 26, 2016, 12:33:AM »
Next, trial transcript up, the pathologist, Peter Venezis:-
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1584 on: May 26, 2016, 01:01:AM »
I often sit alone during the night hours, with a smart glass of 'Bushmills' nector, and contemplate whether or not, everything I have put myself through just to get to the truth in this case, has been worth it?

Many times, I have been left thinking that having to deal with all this aggravation, isn't worth the input and the concern invested, but in my heart of hearts, I know that somebody has to try to get to the truth, I would never have been able to forgive myself if I hadn't gone that extra mile...

I know the truth about what really happened inside whf that night, but many of you can only guess...

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1585 on: May 26, 2016, 06:26:AM »
That transcript of the trial testimony by forensic scientist Brian Elliott certainly excludes Sheila from any involvement as both her hands were almost lead free proving she could not have loaded cartridges into the magazine but then we already knew that.

Back to the drawing board Mike!

I am afraid you are significantly wrong, since (a) none of the volunteers fired the rifle after loading any of the bullets (whereas, Sheila did) and (b) all the volunteers loaded significantly more rounds into the magazine during the tests they conducted (than Sheila would have handled through the necessity to reload), and (c) none of the volunteers wiped the key fingers of the hand they had used to load rounds into the ammunition magazine, upon an item of their own clothing (which in Sheila's case was the front lower right part of her blue nightie)...

Failure by any of the volunteers at (a) removed the risk of contamination that had got onto their fingers during the loading process being systematically 'wiped' each time they had activated the trigger mechanism by a process of repeated friction between a volunteers index finger and the trigger mechanism. The fact that volunteers (b) loaded more bullets (18) than Sheila would have had to have handled and reloaded (14) was not reflected in the figures relied upon in the test results. Since, none of the volunteers 'wiped the key fingers of their hands (c) after completion of the exercise, nor were any of the volunteers hands or fingers masked by the presence blood upon their own hands / key fingers. Seems to me that these so called 'comparison tests, were badly handled, and the results obtained from these tests were 'misused', and very misleading in their execution...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1586 on: May 26, 2016, 07:00:AM »
Next, trial transcript up, the pathologist, Peter Venezis:-

Please note, that page number 8 of the transcript is missing (I have not removed it) - it may well be somewhere mixed up with other documents in my possession and if I come across it I will endeavour to attach it at the bottom of this post...
« Last Edit: May 27, 2016, 08:17:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1587 on: May 26, 2016, 09:12:AM »
I found the following black and white image of the bedroom photograph with the clock on June Bambers bedside cabinet, where in the colour version of a similar photograph (it could be the actual photograph), the bodies of Sheila and June have been blacked out for reasons of decency). I am posting this here with the other coloured image to give everybody peace of mind with regard to 'were the bodies there in the colour image, or has it been made to look like bodies were still there'. Rest assured the bodies of Sheila, and June, were present in the colour version, exactly as shown in the black and white one (photo' took at just after 10.20am)...

'The devil is in the detail'...
« Last Edit: May 26, 2016, 10:27:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1588 on: May 26, 2016, 10:50:AM »
'Ron' Cook and 'David' Birds account about moving Sheila's hand, so that PC Bird could photograph the bloodied finger marks on the front lower part of Sheila's nightdress is an 'interesting' feature in the grand scheme of things to do with the staging of Sheila Caffells death scene by the cops. According to both, Cook only moved Sheila's hand, nothing else, not the rifle, not the nightdress, but I think these next two images that were 'captured' on the same 'negative strip' (0034) illustrate the fine line between somebody trying to tell the truth with a lie, and the devil in the deep blue sea...

Cook did 'not' only move Sheila Caffells hand, he also 'moved' her arm, and disturbed her nightdress, which 'he tucked beneath her body'. The barrel end of the rifle was also moved slightly into a different position, as shown in photographs before Cook supposedly only moved her hand, and afterwards...
« Last Edit: May 26, 2016, 10:56:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1589 on: May 26, 2016, 11:02:AM »
That transcript of the trial testimony by forensic scientist Brian Elliott certainly excludes Sheila from any involvement as both her hands were almost lead free proving she could not have loaded cartridges into the magazine but then we already knew that.

Back to the drawing board Mike!
john when i mentioned the above to david he replyed the 22.bullets used had bees wax on them  not oil or lead.which i find strange