What makes Bamber innocent?

[sami]

Ask her 'how many weeks before Ralph, and three generations of the family, were all killed', did Jimmy make 'that' threat?

are you now saying it was jimmy bell

[mike tesko]

You're splitting hairs. Nevill was allegedly on a few months "sick" leave from the bench in 1985. Yet the letter asking for the time off -a few months- was dated 1981. I believe Jimmy's trial was heard a Chelmsford Crown court.

Listen up, You don't tell me what to post, I do what I want in my end of life days. If you are truly in touch with the family of Jimmy Bell, tell us all, when the xxx xxxxxx did what he did, with them there .22 bullets - or are you making it up about being in direct contact with a member of Jim Bells family. Don't xxxxxxx with me, unless you got the ammunition to shoot me down dead in my tracks ( I am not frightened of dying). You have picked on the wrong person to play games with...

Now, either, 'put up', or 'shut up'...

[sami]

Listen up, You don't tell me what to post, I do what I want in my end of life days. If you are truly in touch with the family of Jimmy Bell, tell us all, when the xxx xxxxxx did what he did, with them there .22 bullets - or are you making it up about being in direct contact with a member of Jim Bells family. Don't xxxxxxx xxxx with me, unless you got the ammunition to shoot me down dead in my tracks ( I am not frightened of dying). You have picked on the wrong person to play games with...

Now, either, 'put up', or 'shut up'...

you got a lot of life in you yet,mike

[mike tesko]

are you now saying it was Jimmy bell

No, no, no, Jim Bell was not Sheila's accomplice...

Forget, about 'Jimmy Bell', he didn't massacre 'two generations of the Bamber Clan', as 'xxxx as he was', Jimmy Bell was not the 'unidentified male, referred to by PC Myall. But, what I am saying is that in the weeks building up to the tragedy, Jimmy Bell and the threats he posed to the three generations of the Bamber family, were very real threats...

[Jane]

Listen up, You don't tell me what to post, I do what I want in my end of life days. If you are truly in touch with the family of Jimmy Bell, tell us all, when the xxx xxxxxx did what he did, with them there .22 bullets - or are you making it up about being in direct contact with a member of Jim Bells family. Don't xxxxxxx xxxxwith me, unless you got the ammunition to shoot me down dead in my tracks ( I am not frightened of dying). You have picked on the wrong person to play games with...

Now, either, 'put up', or 'shut up'...

Mike, if you're inviting me to shoot you, you've picked the wrong person. I couldn't shoot any one if I tried. Yes, I AM in touch with Jimmy's family. As I said I've been with one of his sons and his grandchildren today. I have no need to mess with you and no desire to play games with you.

[mike tesko]

Mike, if you're inviting me to shoot you, you've picked the wrong person. I couldn't shoot any one if I tried. Yes, I AM in touch with Jimmy's family. As I said I've been with one of his sons and his grandchildren today. I have no need to mess with you and no desire to play games with you.

OK, luv (figure of speech for a northerner of my elk), way things are at the moment I might welcome you shooting me dead, but I appreciate your apparent honesty by you saying you do not need to mess with me, or play games with me in my mindset. Ok, then, now please if you can, can you say from what you know, how many weeks, or days before the 7th August, 1985, did Jimmy throw them there .22 bullets at Mr Bamber (Snr)? Years before? Months before? Weeks before? Days before? Hours before? Minutes, before? Bearing in mind that I have the police files in my possession,and everything that Jeremy Bamber himself wishes he had never given me access to, because I am a low life 'scumbag', who will say what I want, when I want, irrespective of the consequences because I don't say anything I don't truly believe at the time I say it, unless I believe it to be true...

[Jane]

OK, luv (figure of speech for a northerner of my elk), way things are at the moment I might welcome you shooting me dead, but I appreciate your apparent honesty by you saying you do not need to mess with me, or play games with me in my mindset. Ok, then, now please if you can, can you say from what you know, how many weeks, or days before the 7th August, 1985, did Jimmy throw them there .22 bullets at Mr Bamber (Snr)? Years before? Months before? Weeks before? Days before? Hours before? Minutes, before? Bearing in mind that I have the police files in my possession,and everything that Jeremy Bamber himself wishes he had never given me access to, because I am a low life 'scumbag', who will say what I want, when I want, irrespective of the consequences because I don't say anything I don't truly believe at the time I say it, unless I believe it to be true...

No Mike, I really don't think I can but what I CAN say is that it's HIGHLY likely that the alleged incident with the bullets didn't have anything to do with Jimmy's sentence. However, I'm not prepared to say more because I have no proof.

[mike tesko]

You're splitting hairs. Nevill was allegedly on a few months "sick" leave from the bench in 1985. Yet the letter asking for the time off -a few months- was dated 1981. I believe Jimmy's trial was heard a Chelmsford Crown court.

Don't try that line with me luv, every case starts off in the magistrates court, then there is a committal to Crown court, cases don't go directly to the 'Crown Court' (unless by way of 'A voluntary bill of Indictment'). Now, when did 'Jimmy' throw them there .22 bullets, at Mr Bamber (Snr), was it in 1985? 1984? 1983? 1982? or 1981?

[mike tesko]

No Mike, I really don't think I can but what I CAN say is that it's HIGHLY likely that the alleged incident with the bullets didn't have anything to do with Jimmy's sentence. However, I'm not prepared to say more because I have no proof.

Ok...

[mike tesko]

It's of no relevance what Jimmy threw where. You've already blamed Ralph Nevill'/the police en masse/ the hunch back man as culprits of the crime.

'Ralph Neville' was not his real name...

[John]

On the contrary, it does matter where the rifle was, at all times, especially after Sheila placed it at one of the upstairs window, where it remained without anyone touching it until 9.13am, when during a training exercise, otherwise known as ' familiars', the rifle was brought from the window upstairs to Sheila's body, which only had one gunshot wound to the neck by that stage. Cops had moved Sheila's body from the bed to the floor, the rifle was placed on her body and it discharged the second shot which killed her. The rifle was then put near the main bedroom window until after PC Bird photographed it there (as per photograph 23 of negative strip 0012). After PC Bird took 'that' photograph (23) the rifle was brought from the window by cops and positioned onto Sheila's body, and by around 10.20am, PC Bird took 8 photographs of the rifle on Sheila's body (25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32, on negative strip 0034). Cops staged Sheila's death scene, then photographed the scene, and used the photographs dishonestly to convict Jeremy of the murders. That can't be right, it can't be legal, cops didn't explain to the court which tried the matter that it was they who had put the rifle from the upstairs window onto Sheila's body, and then took the photographs. The court was 'deceived' into accepting that Sheila's body had been left well alone after its first discovery by armed cops who entered the farmhouse soon after 7.30am, and not even the police surgeon, Dr Craig had been allowed to touch her body at 8.44am. Cops told the court that it was DI 'Ron' Cook who had first handled the rifle from Sheila's body at 11.10am, at which stage he said that he had handed the rifle to PI Montgomery (firearm officer) to check it, and make it safe. Cook said, 'he' had then placed the rifle at the bedroom window where PC Bird had photographed it (23, negative strip 0012), but we now know Cook lied, and deceived the court about that, and we also know that PC Bird aided him in deceiving the court about the time he had taken photograph 23  (negative strip 0012), stating that he had photographed the rifle at the bedroom window (23, negative strip 0012) after he had photographed Sheila's body in possession of the rifle, as per photographs, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32 (negative strip 0034). We have now found out that PC Bird came clean about the order with which he had photographed the rifle at the main bedroom window, and on Sheila's body, by making a new witness statement to the COLP investigators on the 31st January, 2001, when he had to tell the truth or be damned. At that stage, the truth relating to the fact that cops staged Sheila's death scene on the bedroom floor became common knowledge for the very first time (fifthteen and a half years later), that Jeremy Bamber 'had not afterall' placed the anshuzt rifle onto his sisters body with her on the bedroom floor, in order to fool cops into thinking that his sister had taken her own life. It wasn't Jeremy after all that tried to trick cops, it was all part and parcel of what the cops themselves had done, so it beggars belief how anyone can say that Jeremy almost got away with the perfect murders, by staging his sisters death on the bedroom floor so that police would accept that she had killed the others, then killed herself. He hadn't staged his sisters body at all, how could he have with the rifle that supposedly killed the others and then herself having been offered up at one of the first floor windows at 7.15am, where it remained until 9.13am. Cops had five dead victims inside the farmhouse by 8.10am, and setting the serious discrepancy to one side as to whether by that (8.10am) time, Sheila's body was downstairs, or upstairs, the fact still remains that the only rifle found upstairs by cops was the one at an upstairs window, how could Sheila have been dead by 'that' (8.10am) stage? The simple truth is that she couldn't possibly have been dead by 'that' (8.10am) time. How had she died? The rifle which had been at an upstairs bedroom window could not by that stage have also been with Sheila's body, either downstairs, or upstairs. She hadn't shot herself, and she hadn't killed herself by 'that' time, and Jeremy certainly could not have shot her either downstairs in the kitchen, or upstairs on the bed, or the floor and staged her body to fake her suicide, what with? Let's ignore the fact that Sheila was downstairs in the kitchen (7.37am, onward until just after 8.10am), or upstairs on the bed from around 8.30am, until just before 9.13am. Let's go with Sheila's body always having been on the bedroom floor with two shotgun wounds to her neck. How could Jeremy have tried to fake her death on the bedroom floor with the rifle that fired 'both' (ha, ha, ha) shots leaning against a window in another room?  Get a life, or get a grip of yourselves, it didn't happen, and it couldn't have happened like the cops said it had happened. They made it up, and what they did has now been fully exposed. But the big question remains. Ask yourselves why cops did what they did, and rather than 'fess up to what they had done, and why, they chose to frame Jeremy Bamber as the killer. They tampered with Sheila's body, moved the rifle from the window onto the body, tampered with the order with which key photographs were taken, tampered with the ballistics, tampered with the hand swabs, tampered with the silencer, etc, etc, etc. The whole god damn case that cops built in order to frame Jeremy as the killer is rotten to the core...

A lot of claims but nothing to back it up.  A bit like the never to be seen photo of Sheila on the bed?

[sami]

morning mike, you sad the police shot sheila but if she had leaned the rifle by the window showing as you put it that she was ready to surrender ,why than would police shoot her.doesnt make sense

[mike tesko]

morning mike, you sad the police shot sheila but if she had leaned the rifle by the window showing as you put it that she was ready to surrender ,why than would police shoot her.doesnt make sense

Cops deceived her. I understand she was requested to give a show of the gun believed to be in her possession at a window, and that upon the gun being put on show, the ambulance crew would then enter the farmhouse to tend to anyone who might be injured by that stage. Sheila put the gun on show at an upstairs window, then made her way downstairs intending to let the ambulance crew in, only to be confronted by a gun wielding PS Woodcock which incensed her, hence why there was a struggle between herself and woodcock over control and possession of 'that' gun. Whilst grabbing the muzzle end of Woodcocks weapon she appeared to draw the muzzle into her own neck and at that precise moment the cops gun discharged a shot across Sheila's neck, and she collapsed onto the kitchen floor as if dead. Hence why at 7.37am, messages were passed and relayed to the effect that the body of 'one dead male' and the body of 'one dead female had been confirmed. One of these deaths was being talked about in terms of a murder, whilst the second death was talked in terms of the death having been reported as a suicide...

[mike tesko]

Cops deceived her. I understand she was requested to give a show of the gun believed to be in her possession at a window, and that upon the gun being put on show, the ambulance crew would then enter the farmhouse to tend to anyone who might be injured by that stage. Sheila put the gun on show at an upstairs window, then made her way downstairs intending to let the ambulance crew in, only to be confronted by a gun wielding PS Woodcock which incensed her, hence why there was a struggle between herself and woodcock over control and possession of 'that' gun. Whilst grabbing the muzzle end of Woodcocks weapon she appeared to draw the muzzle into her own neck and at that precise moment the cops gun discharged a shot across Sheila's neck, and she collapsed onto the kitchen floor as if dead. Hence why at 7.37am, messages were passed and relayed to the effect that the body of 'one dead male' and the body of 'one dead female had been confirmed. One of these deaths was being talked about in terms of a murder, whilst the second death was talked in terms of the death having been reported as a suicide...

By 'that' stage (7.37am) the 'two deaths' being referred to were 'Ralph Bambers', and 'Sheila Caffells', a 'murder', and a 'suicide'...

Forget about 'June Bamber' being the 'second body found', because nobody can 'realistically hope to described her death' as a 'suicide'...

[mike tesko]

A lot of claims but nothing to back it up.  A bit like the never to be seen photo of Sheila on the bed?

You fool, there's lots of evidence to back everything up - do you know what evidence is, because all you keep going on about, is that there is no evidence for this, or that. Get a grip of yourself, of course there is evidence, it's just that it pains you to have to acknowledge it exists...

Its only evidence if it supports your arguments, is that it, and its not evidence if it tends to prove Bambers innocence...