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Offline lookout

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1320 on: May 22, 2016, 09:37:AM »

With a fully carpeted room, WHY would one put underlay under a rug which sits on a carpet?






To lengthen the life of the rug.  Some of those type of rugs have a cloth backing but the more expensive ones don't so therefore a piece of underlay could have been used for extra comfort too as well as to save wear.
The carpet underneath all this could well have been showing signs of wear/threadbare in the centre,if it had been there since first moving in,but remained decent around the edges where it would have been visible.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1321 on: May 22, 2016, 09:41:AM »





To lengthen the life of the rug.  Some of those type of rugs have a cloth backing but the more expensive ones don't so therefore a piece of underlay could have been used for extra comfort too as well as to save wear.
The carpet underneath all this could well have been showing signs of wear/threadbare in the centre,if it had been there since first moving in,but remained decent around the edges where it would have been visible.


Poppycock!! Why would one need the "extra comfort" factor of an underlay when the rug is atop an already expensive carpet, whether or not, it was showing signs of wear.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1322 on: May 22, 2016, 09:44:AM »

Poppycock!! Why would one need the "extra comfort" factor of an underlay when the rug is atop an already expensive carpet, whether or not, it was showing signs of wear.
so lets get this right. first floorboards ,underlay ,carpet,underlay,rug

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1323 on: May 22, 2016, 09:53:AM »
so lets get this right. first floorboards ,underlay ,carpet,underlay,rug


Gets a bit OCD, doesn't it. My mother used to have a runner in the hallway so the carpet didn't get dirty, THEN covered the runner.......................you get the picture. Me? I put several plastic liners in the waste bin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1324 on: May 22, 2016, 10:00:AM »
Well, as we all know, pictures can be said to tell any story we want them to. A picture captures a millisecond in time. The only "past" it has is the one we choose to give it.

Yes, now apply your logic to the impression those photographs of Sheila's 'staged' death scene, with her in possession of the rifle, muzzle of barrel close to 'two bullet wounds' on her neck, her right hand fingers close to the trigger mechanism, and the prosecution claiming that 'this' was how the defendant had set the scene, to make 'it look like Sheila had shot herself twice' with that rifle, so 'that' cops would be 'tricked' into believing she 'had' committed 'suicide'!!!

In the 'split seconds' it took for the jury to 'glance' at all the crime scene photographs (25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32) which showed Sheila's body in possession of the gun, armed with the powerful suggestion that Sheila's death scene 'had' been staged by Jeremy, intent on getting his hands on his adoptive parents wealth, the jury would have 'no problem' at all believing that the position Sheila's body had been left in by Jeremy was designed to make cops believe that his sister had taken her own life. But as everyone now must know, Jeremy ' had no involvement in the position' or 'the location inside the farmhouse' pertaining to where cops photographed Sheila's body in possession of the rifle which everyone now knows was at an upstairs window, from 7.15am onward. It doesn't matter which upstairs window 'that rifle' was placed at, the fact is somebody who was still very much alive inside the farmhouse at 7.15am placed that gun there as a 'signal' to the cops outside that they wanted to give themselves up...

Cops faked Sheila's death scene with the rifle from the window, then took the photographs which the cops claimed represented how armed police came upon her body once they got into the farmhouse. The prosecution relied upon this very powerful 'faked' evidence to help to convict Jeremy for killing her, and the others, whilst also seeking to rely upon the dodgy evidence given by Julie Mugford that Jeremy had 'hired' a hitman to kill Sheila and the others...

The 'Jury, have been deceived by use of these 8 staged crime scene photographs of Sheila's ' death scene'. Cops staged her body using the rifle from the window, to try to make it look like she had shot herself twice with 'that' gun. But she had only been shot 'once' by use of that gun, and that was when cops brought the rifle from the window to her body which had been moved onto the bedroom floor from on top of the bed whilst cops performed 'informatives'. They intended to use the length of the rifle to 'gauge' whether or not they could get away with suggesting that the single gunshot wound to her neck at that stage could have been the gun which had fired that solitary shot. Things went wrong because nobody by that stage had checked to see whether the rifle still had any ammunition loaded into the breach of it. This resulted in the rifle that had been at the window from 7.15am, discharging a shot into Sheila's neck, upward and into her brain. Cops put the rifle back at the bedroom window after realising that she might have 'still been barely alive' prior to that 'second shot' being inflicted upstairs in the bedroom. They rolled her body onto its right side so that it could bleed out. They left her body in that position for about 40 minutes, then moved her body onto its back and brought the rifle back from the bedroom window, and placed it onto her body after PC Bird had unwittingly captured its presence leaning against the wall next to the bedroom window (photograph number 23, master copy album). PC Bird then took photographs of Sheila's body in possession of the rifle, with the words of DI Cook ringing in his ears, ' make sure you get the position of the gun right' on the body...
« Last Edit: May 22, 2016, 10:06:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1325 on: May 22, 2016, 10:03:AM »

Poppycock!! Why would one need the "extra comfort" factor of an underlay when the rug is atop an already expensive carpet, whether or not, it was showing signs of wear.





You might think it's poppycock,but I've actually done it myself to preserve an expensive rug from constant tread,and particularly where the fitted carpet beneath showed signs of wear in the centre. If the rug had been placed over this centre of wear,it too would have " sunk " in time so my obvious answer was to have a piece of underlay underneath the rug to keep it level.
I wasn't going to chuck out a perfectly good,fitted,26ft woollen Axminster just because the centre was losing its wool.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1326 on: May 22, 2016, 10:11:AM »
At the bottom of the picture Mike, there is what looks like underlay, are you  sure this wasn't taken after they removed the carpets?  ;D Does anyone else think it looks like underlay?

It isn't underlay, its the bedroom carpet. The floral designed pattern in the fore was an item resting on top of something in that part of the bedroom. I have found one of the crime scene photographs which confirms what I'm saying to be true...
« Last Edit: May 22, 2016, 10:14:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1327 on: May 22, 2016, 10:17:AM »
morning mike

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1328 on: May 22, 2016, 10:20:AM »
If we refer to the left hand side of the bed as 'Ralphs' side', and the right hand side of the bed as Junes side', the clock on the bedside cabinet which shows the time as being just after 10.20am is located on the cabinet at the side of Junes side of the bed...
« Last Edit: May 22, 2016, 10:21:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1329 on: May 22, 2016, 10:20:AM »
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1330 on: May 22, 2016, 10:39:AM »
It is illegal and constitutes a criminal offence for cops or anybody to interfere with or to stage a persons death scene, then take photographs of the scene they are responsible for having 'staged', and create a smaller version of all the photographs (223) cops claimed they had taken and bundle these into an inappropriately named ' master copy album', when all along they retain a true collection of the 581 photographs that cops took, hidden away inside ' the senior investigating officers album', and used the 'faked' photographs as evidence that Jeremy was responsible for staging his sisters body, which cops are responsible for having done...

Conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, springs to mind...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1331 on: May 22, 2016, 11:01:AM »
Yes, now apply your logic to the impression those photographs of Sheila's 'staged' death scene, with her in possession of the rifle, muzzle of barrel close to 'two bullet wounds' on her neck, her right hand fingers close to the trigger mechanism, and the prosecution claiming that 'this' was how the defendant had set the scene, to make 'it look like Sheila had shot herself twice' with that rifle, so 'that' cops would be 'tricked' into believing she 'had' committed 'suicide'!!!

In the 'split seconds' it took for the jury to 'glance' at all the crime scene photographs (25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32) which showed Sheila's body in possession of the gun, armed with the powerful suggestion that Sheila's death scene 'had' been staged by Jeremy, intent on getting his hands on his adoptive parents wealth, the jury would have 'no problem' at all believing that the position Sheila's body had been left in by Jeremy was designed to make cops believe that his sister had taken her own life. But as everyone now must know, Jeremy ' had no involvement in the position' or 'the location inside the farmhouse' pertaining to where cops photographed Sheila's body in possession of the rifle which everyone now knows was at an upstairs window, from 7.15am onward. It doesn't matter which upstairs window 'that rifle' was placed at, the fact is somebody who was still very much alive inside the farmhouse at 7.15am placed that gun there as a 'signal' to the cops outside that they wanted to give themselves up...

Cops faked Sheila's death scene with the rifle from the window, then took the photographs which the cops claimed represented how armed police came upon her body once they got into the farmhouse. The prosecution relied upon this very powerful 'faked' evidence to help to convict Jeremy for killing her, and the others, whilst also seeking to rely upon the dodgy evidence given by Julie Mugford that Jeremy had 'hired' a hitman to kill Sheila and the others...

The 'Jury, have been deceived by use of these 8 staged crime scene photographs of Sheila's ' death scene'. Cops staged her body using the rifle from the window, to try to make it look like she had shot herself twice with 'that' gun. But she had only been shot 'once' by use of that gun, and that was when cops brought the rifle from the window to her body which had been moved onto the bedroom floor from on top of the bed whilst cops performed 'informatives'. They intended to use the length of the rifle to 'gauge' whether or not they could get away with suggesting that the single gunshot wound to her neck at that stage could have been the gun which had fired that solitary shot. Things went wrong because nobody by that stage had checked to see whether the rifle still had any ammunition loaded into the breach of it. This resulted in the rifle that had been at the window from 7.15am, discharging a shot into Sheila's neck, upward and into her brain. Cops put the rifle back at the bedroom window after realising that she might have 'still been barely alive' prior to that 'second shot' being inflicted upstairs in the bedroom. They rolled her body onto its right side so that it could bleed out. They left her body in that position for about 40 minutes, then moved her body onto its back and brought the rifle back from the bedroom window, and placed it onto her body after PC Bird had unwittingly captured its presence leaning against the wall next to the bedroom window (photograph number 23, master copy album). PC Bird then took photographs of Sheila's body in possession of the rifle, with the words of DI Cook ringing in his ears, ' make sure you get the position of the gun right' on the body...

Included in the "past" we attribute to a picture, there is also any amount of conversation/dialogue that can be added. All a product of our own mind and none of which can be verified.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1332 on: May 22, 2016, 11:06:AM »
It isn't underlay, its the bedroom carpet. The floral designed pattern in the fore was an item resting on top of something in that part of the bedroom. I have found one of the crime scene photographs which confirms what I'm saying to be true...





It could well be the makers/manufacturers name underneath the carpet/rug.

Mike there was rather a large Chinese/Indian rug rolled up in one part of the bedroom by one of the bed-tables. It was " bunched-up " rather than rolled or folded.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1333 on: May 22, 2016, 11:20:AM »
It isn't underlay, its the bedroom carpet. The floral designed pattern in the fore was an item resting on top of something in that part of the bedroom. I have found one of the crime scene photographs which confirms what I'm saying to be true...


Are you really trying to have us believe that such a traditional pair as the Bambers, living in the most traditional of settings, would have contemplated such an avant garde design of carpet................with LETTERS as a design feature?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1334 on: May 22, 2016, 11:25:AM »

Are you really trying to have us believe that such a traditional pair as the Bambers, living in the most traditional of settings, would have contemplated such an avant garde design of carpet................with LETTERS as a design feature?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
would be a first ,jane most people have never seen a carpet with letters on it.its becoming laughable now.