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Offline Caroline

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1155 on: May 20, 2016, 09:18:PM »
Lets see what my 'trick of the light' research turns up!  I might surprise you and turn out to be somwhat of a dark horse  ::)

Well, you're not doing that well so far, given you didn't know it was mentioned at trial.  ;D ;D ;D ;D Still I've set you off on the right path - always happy to help, if you need anything else - just holler.

By the way, are you setting yourself a challenge to meniton 'horse' is every post?  ;D ;D
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1156 on: May 20, 2016, 09:21:PM »
Judging by the video I've seen he doesnt look like he has a neck to break!

You can see him here at about 3 mins in

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/video/2011/jan/30/jeremy-bamber-new-evidence-video

Not my type.  Enough to make me look at my horses in a different light  :o  Each to their own I guess.
Have to agree with you  ;D ;D ;D ;D although I don't have a horse but my cat is very pretty.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1157 on: May 20, 2016, 09:51:PM »
Have to agree with you  ;D ;D ;D ;D although I don't have a horse but my cat is very pretty.

Maggie your cat is beautiful  :))

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1158 on: May 20, 2016, 10:41:PM »
As promised so time ago, I am reproducing the schedule of the witnesses who testitified during Jeremy's October 1986 Chelmsford Crown trial...

Reference on page 2 to M. J. Bennett, should read, 'M. J. Bonnett'...

Witness Order:-

(01) - Anthony Pargeter mentions silencer being fitted to barrel of anshuzt rifle on the penultimate week - end prior to the shootings. He also introduces the suggestion that Jeremy was considered by himself to be a competant marksman...

(02) - J. W. Hayward makes a statement declaring that the blood group results of the flake could have originated from Sheila, or Robert Woodwis Boutflour. What he failed to tell the court, was that there existed a very disturbing possibility that the silencer inside which the key blood group evidence had been obtained, had 'not' in fact been handed to cops by Peter Eaton on the 12 the August, 1985, but rather Ann Eaton had handed 'this' silencer over to cops on the 11th September, 1985...


(03) - J. J. Bradley
(04) - B. H. Knight told the court, that in his expert opinion, Sheila might have been able to move around for a period as long as half an hour after receiving the first non fatal shot across her neck, before the second 'fatal' shot was inflicted...

(05)- B. J. Cock
(06) - Dr P. Venezis has a 'dispute' with Malcolm Fletcher, regarding wounds, bullet dimensions, etc, which he fails to bring to the attention of the court...


(07) -J. Mugford Prosecution rejected Mugfords claim that a ' hitman' killed the five victims, and that the defendant had paid £2000 for a hitman to kill his family...


(08) - J. Mugford and the press (legal arguments) no comment, this witness was totally unreliable...


(09) - PC  S. J. Myall saw 'unidentified male' in bedroom, and involved in communication duties at the scene, and relayed find of two bodies downstairs upon entry messages, 7.37 and 7.38am, and find of other three bodies upstairs by 8.10am - but he kept this evidence a secret from the court which tried the case...

(10) - Dr I. D. Craig he kept vital information back from the court which may have changed the course of the trial. For example, he was summoned to attend the scene in relation to two bodies, a male, and a female, a murder, and a suicide, but when he arrived at the scene, the 'suicide' could 'not' have been reported as the second body found. He failed to mention that the position of Sheila's body when he saw it was on the far side of the bed, as opposed to it being on the bedroom floor, and that at the time he had pronounced her as being dead (8.44am), that she only had a single gunshot wound to her neck. This was a startling omission considering that in the crime scene photographs that were taken over an hour and a quarter later on, not only showed Sheila's body on the bedroom floor, with her by then sporting two gun shot wounds to her neck, and she clutching a rifle which Craig noted had not been with the body at that stage. It was also worthy of note that Craig never raised an eyebrow regarding exactly how and in what circumstances the second shot to her neck had occurred...

(11) - DI R. W. Cook He committed to inform the court that he had interfered with the integrity of the silencer, when he had dismantled it, separated the first six baffle plates from one another, and rebuilt it, before screwing it onto the end of the anshuzt rifles barrel. At this time no flake of blood had been observed inside the silencer. However, once Cook resubmitted the silencer to the lab' the key flake of blood miraculously appeared. Cook knew that other cops shot Sheila, and that it was some of these cops who had brought the rifle from the bedroom window and placed it on Sheila's body, but he kept silent about these matters whilst testifying during the trial...

(12) - Professor H. C. Ferguson
(13) - Malcolm D. Fletcher
(14) - Glynis M. A. Howard
(15) - Brian R. Elliot
(16) - J. R. Boutell
(17) - B. J. Wilson
(18) - D. R. Boutflour failed to mention to the court that he did not report the find of the silencer (DRB/1) and other items of evidential value until the 11th September, 1985

(19) - Christine A. Eaton She failed to inform the court that she had handed over the silencer (DRB/1) to DC Oakey on the 11th September, 1985, together with several other exhibits bearing the identifying marks, DRB/2, DRB/3, and DRB/4

(20) - Peter R. Eaton lied about handing over a silencer recovered from a cupboard at the scene by his brother in law. He committed to tell the court that he and Ralph Bamber didn't see eye to eye, or that prior to Mr Bambers  death, how he had 'punched' Mr Bamber during one of many such arguments...
(21) - Robert W. Boutflour this guy, loathed Jeremy, the court should have rejected everything detrimental this crooked person had to say to the detriment of the defendant. Is it any wonder, that the trial judge did not touch upon anything spoken about by Boutflour (Snr) in his summing up?
(22) - DS N. Davidson this cop, failed to inform the court which tried this case, that he and DS Eastwood, had ' finger printed' the silencer inside which the key blood group results ( A, EAP BA, HP- 2, and AK/1) had been found, in tests conducted on the 14th September, 1985. This officer knew 'the truth' about the use of an additional silencer that relatives introduced, with the specific purpose of convicting Jeremy for these murders. He kept all this vital information a 'big' secret from the court which tried the case. Let's be Frank, DS Davidson behaved like ' a common criminal'. He lied, he deceived, he did what it took for him to do,  to get a 'totally innocent man' convicted of murdering the family victims, that he moved, and adored...
(23) - DC D. R. Hammersley
(24) - DS S. B. Jones He obtained, 'an additional police notebook', and he purposefully 're- wrote' his pocketbook entries, contrary to force regulations, He falsified his account relating to his 'involvement' in the substituting of original crime scene ammunition, with test fired rounds, to enable his co - conspirator (The ballistics expert, Fletcher) to associate these with the act of them having been fired from the anshuzt rifle at the time of the shootings, but if the truth be known they were fired via that rifle in test firings after the shootings...


(25) - PS C. I. Bews sabotaged sighting of the 'unidentified' male via the bedroom window, by claiming it was 'a trick of light'. He also kept it from the court that he had been involved in relaying information from inside the farmhouse during the police search of the discovery of two bodies downstairs in the kitchen upon entry, (7.37am) ' the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, found upon entry', (7.38am) ' one dead male, one dead female', (8.10am) ' after a thorough search of the premises, a further three bodies found upstairs, five dead in total'...
 

(26 - DC  D. Bird
(27) - PC M. J. West
(28) - M. J. Bonnet
(29) - J. N. Bamber
« Last Edit: May 21, 2016, 08:36:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1159 on: May 20, 2016, 11:13:PM »
As promised so time ago, I am reproducing the schedule of the witnesses who testitified during Jeremy's October 1986 Chelmsford Crown trial...

Reference on page 2 to M. J. Bennett, should read, 'M. J. Bonnett'...

Witness Order:-

(01) - Anthony Pargeter
(02) - J. W. Hayward
(03) - J. J. Bradley
(04) - B. H. Knight
(05)- B. J. Cock
(06) - Dr P. Venezis
(07) -J. Mugford
(08) - J. Mugford and the press (legal arguments)
(09) - PC  S. J. Myall saw 'unidentified male' in bedroom, and involved in communication duties at the scene, and relayed find of two bodies downstairs upon entry messages, 7.37 and 7.38am, and find of other three bodies upstairs by 8.10am - but he kept this evidence a secret from the court which tried the case...

(10) - Dr I. D. Craig
(11) - DI R. W. Cook
(12) - Professor H. C. Ferguson
(13) - Malcolm D. Fletcher
(14) - Glynis M. A. Howard
(15) - Brian R. Elliot
(16) - J. R. Boutell
(17) - B. J. Wilson
(18) - D. R. Boutflour
(19) - Christine A. Eaton
(20) - Peter R. Eaton
(21) - Robert W. Boutflour
(22) - DS N. Davidson
(23) - DC D. R. Hammersley
(24) - DS S. B. Jones
(25) - PS C. I. Bews
(26 - DC  D. Bird
(27) - PC M. J. West
(28) - M. J. Bonnet
(29) - J. N. Bamber

Have you got Bew's statement or not? If now I will try and find it elsewhere.
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1160 on: May 20, 2016, 11:13:PM »
Well, you're not doing that well so far, given you didn't know it was mentioned at trial.  ;D ;D ;D ;D Still I've set you off on the right path - always happy to help, if you need anything else - just holler.

By the way, are you setting yourself a challenge to meniton 'horse' is every post?  ;D ;D
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Clever though, isn't it?

Offline mike tesko

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1161 on: May 20, 2016, 11:14:PM »
Have you got Bew's statement or not? If now I will try and find it elsewhere.

Bear with me, I am currently updating my last post...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1162 on: May 20, 2016, 11:20:PM »
Bear with me, I am currently updating my last post...

Ok - cheers
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1163 on: May 20, 2016, 11:22:PM »
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Clever though, isn't it?

Perhaps we should all choose an animal and feed it into every post in ever more clever and cunning ways  ;D ;D.
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1164 on: May 20, 2016, 11:30:PM »
Well, you're not doing that well so far, given you didn't know it was mentioned at trial.  ;D ;D ;D ;D Still I've set you off on the right path - always happy to help, if you need anything else - just holler.

By the way, are you setting yourself a challenge to meniton 'horse' is every post?  ;D ;D

I'm looking into purchasing the trial transcript.  It might take a while.

I wonder what happened to horseydave  ::)
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1165 on: May 20, 2016, 11:31:PM »
Have to agree with you  ;D ;D ;D ;D although I don't have a horse but my cat is very pretty.

I had a pretty pussy once  :'(
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1166 on: May 20, 2016, 11:33:PM »
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Clever though, isn't it?

Just horsing around  ::)

Anyway up early in the morning to feed my two horses. 

Night all
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1167 on: May 20, 2016, 11:40:PM »
Just horsing around  ::)

Anyway up early in the morning to feed my two horses. 

Night all

See ya...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1168 on: May 20, 2016, 11:49:PM »
Just horsing around  ::)

Anyway up early in the morning to feed my two horses. 

Night all
Good night Jackie.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1169 on: May 21, 2016, 01:37:AM »
That's not what 'Dr Craig told the COLP investigators', or 'what he told Ewen Smith'...

He told them, that when he saw Sheila's body on the far side of the bed, and he pronounced her as being dead, that by 'that' stage she only had what appeared to be a 'single' gunshot wound to her neck. He stated that it was not necessary for him to carry out a physical examination of her body, because it was obvious to him that she had been dead. Ewen Smith told me in person what Dr Craig had said to him, and the message was clear, Sheila had not been shot a second time by 8.44am, according to what Craig said to Ewen, who in turn recited chapter and verse to me in his Birmingham office. Within weeks of Ewen being able to glean this information from Dr Craig, the CCRC were arranging for Essex police to release all 581 case photographs to Ewen, who in turn gave me unsupervised access to them on two occasions. Once was when I viewed photographs in the 'Senior Investigating Officers Album' whilst in the 'conference room' at the solicitors, and secondly, in Ewen Smiths office. By 'that' stage Ewen had already confided in me that the police surgeon was saying that Sheila only had a single shotgun wound in her neck when he viewed her body and pronounced her dead at 8.44am...

I removed the image of Sheila's body laying on top of the bed on this second viewing. This photograph confirms that what Dr Craig told Ewen was correct. She had only been shot once...

What a load of bollocks.  Someone obviously needed to visit specsavers urgently!

No such photo exists!
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