What makes Bamber innocent?

[mike tesko]

What I would hope for, is that somebody ought to be checking into the real reasons why Ralph Neville left South Africa in a hurry, which according to what J told me involved a shooting incident which Neville thought cops over there might be wanting to question him about any role he had played in a murder, or a series of murders over there?

At one stage J himself was convinced that Ralph Neville might have played a role in the killing of three generations of the Bamber family...

[sami]

What is more, the so called ' unidentified' man, and now I am referring specificly to the sighting of the 'scruffy looking, hunch shouldered man, seen walking away from the farmhouse, about 'an Hour' after cops first arrived upon the scene. This 'Scruufily' described man appeared to be carrying something with him at that time...

Now, what the hell could he have been carrying?

who saw him leaving  and why was he allowed to wander near a crime scene and not be challanged.you forget in jb own words he had said it was shelia and no one else how did the person in the window leave whf and locked up as he left theres no doubt whf was locked and secure when police entered

[Jane]

What I would hope for, is that somebody ought to be checking into the real reasons why Ralph Neville left South Africa in a hurry, which according to what J told me involved a shooting incident which Neville thought cops over there might be wanting to question him about any role he had played in a murder, or a series of murders over there?

Which deflects very nicely from the shooting incident that Jeremy's in prison for. Does it not strike you as odd that he'd "FLEE" back to the very place that he was going to be questioned for murder?

[sami]

At one stage J himself was convinced that Ralph Neville might have played a role in the killing of three generations of the Bamber family...

when was this because jb was screaming to the world press that it was his sister and she was quite mad and perfectly capable of using firearms that were in whf

[sami]

Which deflects very nicely from the shooting incident that Jeremy's in prison for. Does it not strike you as odd that he'd "FLEE" back to the very place that he was going to be questioned for murder?

how did he leave whf i doubt if jb had told him about the self latching window and why would he lock up before leaving.just common sense

[mike tesko]

My only interest is in the allegation that certain members of the police -the names being irrelevant- "saw" an "unidentified person moving around in the bedroom" and I'm not stupid enough to suggest that any police IN the house was capable of seeing what was seen by those OUT of the house.

IF they saw an "unidentified person ect................" IN the house, surely they didn't think it was a different ect "LEAVING from the vicinity of the house" an hour later. They would have been perfectly within their rights to apprehend such a person.

You do not know whereabouts PC Myall was situated in the grounds as opposed to where the 'unidentified' male was seen walking away in the grounds of the house. You don't know where the only other officer known to have entered the grounds of the farmhouse by that stage (PS Bews') was situated in relation to PC Myall, or the 'unidentified' male. All we know is what Kim Sengupta published in 'that' news article. I am minded to believe that 'Neville' may have been in possession of a firearm, when he was seen leaving the grounds at 'that' time. If so, it would explain why PC Myall did not approach him, or try to speak to him...

[Jane]

who saw him leaving  and why was he allowed to wander near a crime scene and not be challanged.you forget in jb own words he had said it was shelia and no one else how did the person in the window leave whf and locked up as he left theres no doubt whf was locked and secure when police entered

Good point, Sami. I think this is Jeremy pointing every finger away from his own part in this dreadful crime. First of all he gives police a rather warped CV of Sheila's mental health and her competency with firearms, THEN he thinks he sees movement in a bedroom but leaves others to sex  and put a name to what was "a trick of light" which miraculously becomes "an unidentified person...................."

[mike tesko]

who saw him leaving  and why was he allowed to wander near a crime scene and not be challanged.you forget in jb own words he had said it was shelia and no one else how did the person in the window leave whf and locked up as he left theres no doubt whf was locked and secure when police entered

PC Myall saw the 'unidentified' male walking away from the farmhouse in the grounds of the farm. There could be any number of different reasons why he did not approach the man. Was the 'unidentified' male carrying a gun? Kim Sengupta appeared to be suggesting that whoever 'that' man was was crouched as if carrying something partially concealed beneath the flap of a jacket...

[sami]

Good point, Sami. I think this is Jeremy pointing every finger away from his own part in this dreadful crime. First of all he gives police a rather warped CV of Sheila's mental health and her competency with firearms, THEN he thinks he sees movement in a bedroom but leaves others to sex  and put a name to what was "a trick of light" which miraculously becomes "an unidentified person...................."

correct jane ps bews says it was a trick of light and no one was at the window

[mike tesko]

Which deflects very nicely from the shooting incident that Jeremy's in prison for. Does it not strike you as odd that he'd "FLEE" back to the very place that he was going to be questioned for murder?

But...

That's just the point, he didn' flee back to South Africa, he ended up in Europe, and returned to the UK months after Jeremy had been arrested, and charged...

[Jane]

You do not know whereabouts PC Myall was situated in the grounds as opposed to where the 'unidentified' male was seen walking away in the grounds of the house. You don't know where the only other officer known to have entered the grounds of the farmhouse by that stage (PS Bews') was situated in relation to PC Myall, or the 'unidentified' male. All we know is what Kim Sengupta published in 'that' news article. I am minded to believe that 'Neville' may have been in possession of a firearm, when he was seen leaving the grounds at 'that' time. If so, it would explain why PC Myall did not approach him, or try to speak to him...

Mike, the sequence of their names is of no relevance. Call them policemen A, B, and C or 1, 2, and 3. It amounts to the same thing. Of course you believe the unidentified person, you insist is Ralph Nevill, was "in possession of a firearm" It equipped him better for shooting the family which is your other claim. I wonder when it was that Jeremy changed his mind from blaming it on Sheila to blaming it on the police to blaming it on the unidentified person ect................to NOW, once again blaming Sheila.

[mike tesko]

when was this because jb was screaming to the world press that it was his sister and she was quite mad and perfectly capable of using firearms that were in whf

During my interrogation of Jeremy between 1989 and July, 1991...

[Jane]

PC Myall saw the 'unidentified' male walking away from the farmhouse in the grounds of the farm. There could be any number of different reasons why he did not approach the man. Was the 'unidentified' male carrying a gun? Kim Sengupta appeared to be suggesting that whoever 'that' man was was crouched as if carrying something partially concealed beneath the flap of a jacket...

So KS was there at the time, was he?

[sami]

PC Myall saw the 'unidentified' male walking away from the farmhouse in the grounds of the farm. There could be any number of different reasons why he did not approach the man. Was the 'unidentified' male carrying a gun? Kim Sengupta appeared to be suggesting that whoever 'that' man was was crouched as if carrying something partially concealed beneath the flap of a jacket...

fair enough mike but why did he and how did he lock up before leaving bedroom and wandering around the grounds .why would he do that .simple question,after seeing police from the bedroom window he would have fled as fast as he could and not lockup before leaving.common sense

[Jane]

But...

That's just the point, he didn' flee back to South Africa, he ended up in Europe, and returned to the UK months after Jeremy had been arrested, and charged...

Well, as Jeremy seems to have pointed a finger at just about everyone but the dog, I'm astounded he didn't mention that relative. Have you thought up a motive yet for RN slaughtering the family? I take it all you say re RN can be proved?