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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #960 on: May 18, 2016, 04:02:PM »




What ? The dog wasn't that high off the floor,how could it cast shadows at the window ?
if the lights were on and pitch black outside the dog would not have to be 6ft6in to cast shadows

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #961 on: May 18, 2016, 04:11:PM »
if the lights were on and pitch black outside the dog would not have to be 6ft6in to cast shadows





It was beneath the windowsill height,not a werewolf.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #962 on: May 18, 2016, 04:13:PM »




It was beneath the windowsill height,not a werewolf.
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #963 on: May 18, 2016, 04:15:PM »
I don't do winning.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #964 on: May 18, 2016, 04:22:PM »




It was beneath the windowsill height,not a werewolf.
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #965 on: May 18, 2016, 07:49:PM »
I don't do winning.

Now I would agree with that!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #966 on: May 18, 2016, 08:11:PM »
Now I would agree with that!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D





Pity you didn't either. ???

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #967 on: May 18, 2016, 08:49:PM »




Pity you didn't either. ???

It's not my fault Lookout - it's just a knack!  ;D ;D ;) 8)
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #968 on: May 18, 2016, 09:26:PM »
So that's the only reference? If you have the article, then post it - it's not available online. I don't believe the police would allow someone to walk away from a siege situation, it's just not credible at all. I don't believe that you believe it either.

Who do you say was the 'unidentified male' that PC Myall refers to at whf, entry 001, timed at 3.45am, on 7th August, 1985?

Before you leap in with 'Jeremy' being 'that' person, think again, because that entry and all the entries contained in that 'Major Incident Register' were not compiled until 'after' J's first arrest, and 'obviously' PC Myall certainly knew Jeremy in person by 'that' stage (we are talking about from the end of the first week in September 1985). So, who was this 'unidentified male' who PC Myalls had seen on that early occasion? How come the other two eagle eyed cops (PS Bews  and PS Saxby) ever put their names to any such sighting? We know because Jeremy was there when the 'person' was seen in the bedroom, at the behest of PC Myall, not by PS Bews, and that J himself has gone on record as saying they were clearly looking at a person who appeared to be looking out onto the front garden from the right hand edge of the window (as observed from their vantage point). I have been over what J can remember of that sighting many times with him, asking if it could have been his sister that they all saw, and he said that he couldn't be sure, he added that he couldn't say one way or the other, whether the person he could see was male or a female. I asked him if the person he saw whilst he was sat crouched down alongside PC Myall, and PS Bews, might have been his mum? Again, he reiterated that he couldn't say it was her, one way or another. I then put it to him, could the person he was looking at have been his dad? He repeated to me, that he could not say, other than it was a person they were observing, and that it was 'no trick of light'. I asked J if the person he had observed might have been someone other than any of the three members of his family? And, he repeated that he could not say because he didn't know. I then asked J why he was so sure that it was a person he was looking at, and not 'a trick of light'? He replied by saying that he and the two cops were crouched down and static, and that as they looked in the direction of the window in question, every now and then he could see the silhouette of the persons head, bobbing out into view from the right hand edge of the window, then darting back in again, out of sight for a few seconds. I said to J how long were you all observing this 'person' for as you were crouched down? He said 3 to 4 minutes. I said, were any of you moving or shifting about during that period you observed this person? He replied, 'no'. What happened to make you all get up and run off? He said, because the person at the right hand edge of the window suddenly moved very fast across the opening of the window...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #969 on: May 18, 2016, 09:30:PM »
Who do you say was the 'unidentified male' that PC Myall refers to at whf, entry 001, timed at 3.45am, on 7th August, 1985?

Before you leap in with 'Jeremy' being 'that' person, think again, because that entry and all the entries contained in that 'Major Incident Register' were not compiled until 'after' J's first arrest, and 'obviously' PC Myall certainly knew Jeremy in person by 'that' stage (we are talking about from the end of the first week in September 1985). So, who was this 'unidentified male' who PC Myalls had seen on that early occasion? How come the other two eagle eyed cops (PS Bews  and PS Saxby) ever put their names to any such sighting? We know because Jeremy was there when the 'person' was seen in the bedroom, at the behest of PC Myall, not by PS Bews, and that J himself has gone on record as saying they were clearly looking at a person who appeared to be looking out onto the front garden from the right hand edge of the window (as observed from their vantage point). I have been over what J can remember of that sighting many times with him, asking if it could have been his sister that they all saw, and he said that he couldn't be sure, he added that he couldn't say one way or the other, whether the person he could see was male or a female. I asked him if the person he saw whilst he was sat crouched down alongside PC Myall, and PS Bews, might have been his mum? Again, he reiterated that he couldn't say it was her, one way or another. I then put it to him, could the person he was looking at have been his dad? He repeated to me, that he could not say, other than it was a person they were observing, and that it was 'no trick of light'. I asked J if the person he had observed might have been someone other than any of the three members of his family? And, he repeated that he could not say because he didn't know. I then asked J why he was so sure that it was a person he was looking at, and not 'a trick of light'? He replied by saying that he and the two cops were crouched down and static, and that as they looked in the direction of the window in question, every now and then he could see the silhouette of the persons head, bobbing out into view from the right hand edge of the window, then darting back in again, out of sight for a few seconds. I said to J how long were you all observing this 'person' for as you were crouched down? He said 3 to 4 minutes. I said, were any of you moving or shifting about during that period you observed this person? He replied, 'no'. What happened to make you all get up and run off? He said, because the person at the right hand edge of the window suddenly moved very fast across the opening of the window...

I say 'there was no unidentified male'. IF there had been, he's have been approached and questioned AND on finding 5 dead bodies - arrested and charged.
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #970 on: May 19, 2016, 07:36:AM »
Who do you say was the 'unidentified male' that PC Myall refers to at whf, entry 001, timed at 3.45am, on 7th August, 1985?

Before you leap in with 'Jeremy' being 'that' person, think again, because that entry and all the entries contained in that 'Major Incident Register' were not compiled until 'after' J's first arrest, and 'obviously' PC Myall certainly knew Jeremy in person by 'that' stage (we are talking about from the end of the first week in September 1985). So, who was this 'unidentified male' who PC Myalls had seen on that early occasion? How come the other two eagle eyed cops (PS Bews  and PS Saxby) ever put their names to any such sighting? We know because Jeremy was there when the 'person' was seen in the bedroom, at the behest of PC Myall, not by PS Bews, and that J himself has gone on record as saying they were clearly looking at a person who appeared to be looking out onto the front garden from the right hand edge of the window (as observed from their vantage point). I have been over what J can remember of that sighting many times with him, asking if it could have been his sister that they all saw, and he said that he couldn't be sure, he added that he couldn't say one way or the other, whether the person he could see was male or a female. I asked him if the person he saw whilst he was sat crouched down alongside PC Myall, and PS Bews, might have been his mum? Again, he reiterated that he couldn't say it was her, one way or another. I then put it to him, could the person he was looking at have been his dad? He repeated to me, that he could not say, other than it was a person they were observing, and that it was 'no trick of light'. I asked J if the person he had observed might have been someone other than any of the three members of his family? And, he repeated that he could not say because he didn't know. I then asked J why he was so sure that it was a person he was looking at, and not 'a trick of light'? He replied by saying that he and the two cops were crouched down and static, and that as they looked in the direction of the window in question, every now and then he could see the silhouette of the persons head, bobbing out into view from the right hand edge of the window, then darting back in again, out of sight for a few seconds. I said to J how long were you all observing this 'person' for as you were crouched down? He said 3 to 4 minutes. I said, were any of you moving or shifting about during that period you observed this person? He replied, 'no'. What happened to make you all get up and run off? He said, because the person at the right hand edge of the window suddenly moved very fast across the opening of the window...


And you define Jeremy as being a sandwich short of a picnic?!!!!!! Have you not considered just how clever of him it was NOT to state who he allegedly "saw" moving around in the bedroom? He just dropped the suggestion into the mix and left it to those, like you, to work it out on his behalf. He couldn't then be accused of saying he "saw" X. I'd be highly suspicious of that "You clever bastard" label.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #971 on: May 19, 2016, 11:55:AM »
How was the " trick of the light " at the front of the premises established, when the moon was at the backend of the farmhouse ? It wasn't only JB who'd seen it !!
Because the fact of the matter is that there WAS movement at the front bedroom window soon after JB had arrived at the farmhouse and whoever the person was must have seen JB outside with the police.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #972 on: May 19, 2016, 12:24:PM »
How was the " trick of the light " at the front of the premises established, when the moon was at the backend of the farmhouse ? It wasn't only JB who'd seen it !!
Because the fact of the matter is that there WAS movement at the front bedroom window soon after JB had arrived at the farmhouse and whoever the person was must have seen JB outside with the police.


And you know this for certain sure, HOW? Because Jeremy told you, just as he suggested it to the police that night, and then left it to them and you to make the decision about who it was he saw?

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #973 on: May 19, 2016, 12:29:PM »

And you know this for certain sure, HOW? Because Jeremy told you, just as he suggested it to the police that night, and then left it to them and you to make the decision about who it was he saw?





Do you know different ? And from whom ?

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #974 on: May 19, 2016, 12:32:PM »




Do you know different ? And from whom ?

Well, you probably heard the same interview as I and I have no recall of it being said that "an unknown person was seen moving around in the bedroom".