What makes Bamber innocent?

[Caroline]

Honestly!  We seem to have plumbed new depths here!

Oh I am sure there is a lot further to fall yet. 

[mike tesko]

What did Bamber tell you about his 3am and 6am phone calls to Julie Mike ?

I paid particular attention in trying to establish the timing of calls made by J to Julie Mugford, that morning. He could not be specific as to the actual times these calls had been made, he could only refer me to times other people had said those two calls had been made. However, I did manage to extract the 'sequence' with which these calls had been made. I can say that J did 'not' call Mugford on the first occasion that morning, until 'after' his 'dad' had called him, and his attempt to contact Witham police station, but before J contacted cops at Chelmsford in the form of his conversation with PC West timed at 3.36am. He made a second call to Mugford after leaving the scene in the company of a cop before 5.30pm. In so much as the claim by Mugford that when J called her on that first occasion, he allegedly told her ' all is going well', my understanding is that she misunderstood what J had actually said on that occasion, because she was tired and high on drugs. What J actually said, was something along the lines ' Oh, I feel like hell'...

[Neil]

I take it you don't mean depths of understanding, Neil?

[mike tesko]

Cops saw 'an unidentified male' at whf at about 3.45 / 3.55am, and the person who reported the sighting was PC Myall, not PS Bews, or PS Saxby. The timing of this sighting which became the first entry in the 'Major Incident Register' (3.45am) after the true timing of the sighting (3.55pm) was brought forward 10 minutes, to match the the bringing forward of J's 3.36am telephone call, forward by the same 10 minutes to 3.26am. PS Bews explanation for this sighting was that 'it' was 'a trick of light'...

How utterly 'astonishing' that at no stage has PC Myall, described the sighting of the 'unidentified male' as 'a trick of light', but instead, PC Myall, is in 'agreement' with Jeremy, that what they witnessed moving around inside the bedroom was 'a person', not a trick of light. An hour later PC Myall observed the same 'unidentified male' walking away from the farmhouse, just before PS Adams and the first group of firearm officers arrived at the scene at 5 am...

[mike tesko]

So they just wished him "Good day, Sir" and let him go, did they?

Refer to ' Kim Sengupta's news article', and the first entry, 001 of the 'Major Incident Register', relating to the sighting of the 'unidentified male'...

[Caroline]

Refer to ' Kim Sengupta's news article', and the first entry, 001 of the 'Major Incident Register', relating to the sighting of the 'unidentified male'...

So that's the only reference? If you have the article, then post it - it's not available online. I don't believe the police would allow someone to walk away from a siege situation, it's just not credible at all. I don't believe that you believe it either.

[John]

So they just wished him "Good day, Sir" and let him go, did they?

      ...in Mike's world probably yes.

[Reader]

In any event, since the occupants of CA07 confirmed their arrival at the scene over the police radio as having occurred at 3.48am, and that two of those three cops inside that police vehicle (CA07) state that Jeremy arrived in pages lane three or four minutes behind them, it was 'estimated' that J arrived there at 3.52. This is the most accurate estimation in which to pin the arrival of J to the scene that anybody can arrive at...

That's not the case. The phrase "three to four minutes" doesn't tell you whether to use "three" or "four", and suggests that the officers didn't agree amongst themselves about this estimate. Hence neither figure should be regarded as accurate, especially if there is reason to suppose it isn't.  One such reason is that Ps Bews went to some trouble to point out in an additional statement that he meant this time period started when Jeremy was overtaken, not when CA07 parked in Pages Lane. More accurately, therefore, Jeremy was overtaken at 3:47½ and arrived at where CA07 was parked at 3:50.

[Adam]

Cops saw 'an unidentified male' at whf at about 3.45 / 3.55am, and the person who reported the sighting was PC Myall, not PS Bews, or PS Saxby. The timing of this sighting which became the first entry in the 'Major Incident Register' (3.45am) after the true timing of the sighting (3.55pm) was brought forward 10 minutes, to match the the bringing forward of J's 3.36am telephone call, forward by the same 10 minutes to 3.26am. PS Bews explanation for this sighting was that 'it' was 'a trick of light'...

How utterly 'astonishing' that at no stage has PC Myall, described the sighting of the 'unidentified male' as 'a trick of light', but instead, PC Myall, is in 'agreement' with Jeremy, that what they witnessed moving around inside the bedroom was 'a person', not a trick of light. An hour later PC Myall observed the same 'unidentified male' walking away from the farmhouse, just before PS Adams and the first group of firearm officers arrived at the scene at 5 am...

Is this what Jeremy told you Mike ? Why wasn't it brought up at trial ?

Why didn't Myall and others catch up with the man leaving WHF ?

[Jane]

Cops saw 'an unidentified male' at whf at about 3.45 / 3.55am, and the person who reported the sighting was PC Myall, not PS Bews, or PS Saxby. The timing of this sighting which became the first entry in the 'Major Incident Register' (3.45am) after the true timing of the sighting (3.55pm) was brought forward 10 minutes, to match the the bringing forward of J's 3.36am telephone call, forward by the same 10 minutes to 3.26am. PS Bews explanation for this sighting was that 'it' was 'a trick of light'...

How utterly 'astonishing' that at no stage has PC Myall, described the sighting of the 'unidentified male' as 'a trick of light', but instead, PC Myall, is in 'agreement' with Jeremy, that what they witnessed moving around inside the bedroom was 'a person', not a trick of light. An hour later PC Myall observed the same 'unidentified male' walking away from the farmhouse, just before PS Adams and the first group of firearm officers arrived at the scene at 5 am...

I don't recall seeing it reported by anyone that  "a person" was seen moving around inside the bedroom and it's laughable that this alleged "same person" was allegedly allowed to walk freely from the farm house without being challenged.

[lookout]

Wasn't it Mayall/Meyall who saw the moving figure,when along with Jeremy,they had to duck down out of sight ? Wasn't it after that sighting that the firearms team were engaged ? Why,before this happened,did it take so long in bringing in the firearms team for a so-called siege ?

[lookout]

If you didn't see it reported,then it was never admitted.

[Adam]

Wasn't it Mayall/Meyall who saw the moving figure,when along with Jeremy,they had to duck down out of sight ? Wasn't it after that sighting that the firearms team were engaged ? Why,before this happened,did it take so long in bringing in the firearms team for a so-called siege ?

There is a thread on who spotted the 'trick of the light'. Most sources say it was Bamber.

Mike did Myall tell Bamber he saw a figure leaving WHF ? Or did Bamber see it as well.

[Jane]

If you didn't see it reported,then it was never admitted.

So we appear to have now accumulated several people -including Jeremy- who all "witnessed" an "unknown male (since when, Mike has actually named him) moving around the bedroom" yet not ONCE did any of them report it??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lookout]

People DO have selective memories if things don't go their way.