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Offline mike tesko

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #495 on: May 07, 2016, 01:49:PM »
Yes, I personally know someone who was fitted up. However, in this instance, we have many people being accused of being part of the conspiracy - to name a few; West, Bonnett, Bews, Jones, Hammersley, Davidson, Cook, Venezis, the family, Ainsley, the raid team who entered WHF ...... and that's just to name a few. Each one of these people have been accused of taking an active role in the conspiracy; some even before the bodies were discovered. Yes, people get fitted up or a conviction might be 'helped along' - however, with someone as cunning as Jeremy it's takes a thief to catch one!

No, that approach cannot be right on the one hand, then you are saying all these named people were in on the conspiracy, when they couldn't have been. Do you know something, let's deal with PC West and Malcolm Bonnet, for example, in your argument. How about if I were to put before you the fact that, because the contents of the 3.26am phone log was not disclosed to the defence, or to the court, and the jury never got to learn about the existence of such a significant piece of evidence at all. How in those circumstances, can anyone say that Bonnet and West told the truth when they testified on behalf and in support of the prosecutions case? Defence counsel would not have been able to question them both about the contradictory nature of 'that' log, opposed to the disclosed one (3.36am). If cop and civilian employee had got nothing to hide which the prosecution were obviously as it were 'frightened' to disclose the contents of the 3.26am log, because to do so would almost certainly have been very damaging to their own case. So, they withheld it, and neither West, nor Bonnet, spoke about the existence of that particular phone log, or its contents. Adopting this approach by the prosecution and its witnesses lends ones thinking along the lines that this 'motley crew' were out to deceive, the defence, the court, the jury, the public, and I am afraid its just not cricket for these morons to be doing this sort of stuff, knowing full well, that what they are doing and what they have done is ethically and morally wrong. If that renders all members of this 'motley crew' as conspirators, then so be it. And if it did, they could justifiably be called 'conspirators'...

Maybe, you have a different view...

There is no room in this case for any acts of 'noble cause corruption' to have reared its ugly head. A gentleman should never allude to such despicable acts of dishonesty just so somebody might end up convicted of doing something or other...

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #496 on: May 07, 2016, 02:00:PM »
What Sheila had done was to act out her delusion of being a " child of the devil " which included her own " children of the devil. Something which had been well and truly implanted in her mind. She'd have slain her children first,then carried on killing her parents. Jeremy WASN'T there !

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #497 on: May 07, 2016, 02:14:PM »
During Sheila's early life she'd appeared to have been affected by sociocultural influences such as when being a model asking others if her appearance was up to standard, leaning and relying on her friends and colleagues to reassure her constantly. Then came her " inner beliefs " of being a " Devil's child " . Both of these issues needed addressing initially as being part of a mental health issue. Then there was the hormonal reaction to becoming pregnant and for reasons unknown,whether they be mental or physical,Sheila spent months in hospital during her pregnancy with the twins.
This is a lot of issues that a young woman had to encounter and suffer with nobody close enough to share them with and lack of understanding with her parents.A bunch of grapes and flowers was not enough !!

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #498 on: May 07, 2016, 04:02:PM »
During Sheila's early life she'd appeared to have been affected by sociocultural influences such as when being a model asking others if her appearance was up to standard, leaning and relying on her friends and colleagues to reassure her constantly. Then came her " inner beliefs " of being a " Devil's child " . Both of these issues needed addressing initially as being part of a mental health issue. Then there was the hormonal reaction to becoming pregnant and for reasons unknown,whether they be mental or physical,Sheila spent months in hospital during her pregnancy with the twins.
This is a lot of issues that a young woman had to encounter and suffer with nobody close enough to share them with and lack of understanding with her parents.A bunch of grapes and flowers was not enough !!

I agree...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #499 on: May 07, 2016, 04:11:PM »
No, that approach cannot be right on the one hand, then you are saying all these named people were in on the conspiracy, when they couldn't have been. Do you know something, let's deal with PC West and Malcolm Bonnet, for example, in your argument. How about if I were to put before you the fact that, because the contents of the 3.26am phone log was not disclosed to the defence, or to the court, and the jury never got to learn about the existence of such a significant piece of evidence at all. How in those circumstances, can anyone say that Bonnet and West told the truth when they testified on behalf and in support of the prosecutions case? Defence counsel would not have been able to question them both about the contradictory nature of 'that' log, opposed to the disclosed one (3.36am). If cop and civilian employee had got nothing to hide which the prosecution were obviously as it were 'frightened' to disclose the contents of the 3.26am log, because to do so would almost certainly have been very damaging to their own case. So, they withheld it, and neither West, nor Bonnet, spoke about the existence of that particular phone log, or its contents. Adopting this approach by the prosecution and its witnesses lends ones thinking along the lines that this 'motley crew' were out to deceive, the defence, the court, the jury, the public, and I am afraid its just not cricket for these morons to be doing this sort of stuff, knowing full well, that what they are doing and what they have done is ethically and morally wrong. If that renders all members of this 'motley crew' as conspirators, then so be it. And if it did, they could justifiably be called 'conspirators'...

Maybe, you have a different view...

There is no room in this case for any acts of 'noble cause corruption' to have reared its ugly head. A gentleman should never allude to such despicable acts of dishonesty just so somebody might end up convicted of doing something or other...

This is taken from Jeremy's own website, the Bonnet's log was withheld, how come they are talking about it being discussed by the prosecution? This is the 03:26 log, the one SUPPOSED to be from Nevill and it was made available to the jury. West read from his log in court - the jury were aware according to Jeremy's OWN website.
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #500 on: May 07, 2016, 04:12:PM »
So are psychopaths - especially the ones that have murder in mind.

Can you answer me this, out of interest - is it your argument that J killed Sheila with the rifle at the window?

Is it your case, that PC Bird (soco) photographed Sheila's body after 10 O' clock and that her body had remained 'unmoved' and 'undisturbed' from the moment J staged her death scene there on the bedroom floor around, or over 7 hours previously?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #501 on: May 07, 2016, 04:55:PM »
This is taken from Jeremy's own website, the Bonnet's log was withheld, how come they are talking about it being discussed by the prosecution? This is the 03:26 log, the one SUPPOSED to be from Nevill and it was made available to the jury. West read from his log in court - the jury were aware according to Jeremy's OWN website.

J's phone log contents were disclosed to the defence, the court, and the jury. It was the 'timing' of the call  that was in issue during the trial, and the 'fact' that PC Wests time keeping was questionable, because in the phone log West wrote out the time of the call was recorded as 3.36am, but in one of his witness statements he stated that J's call occurred at 3.26am, that is what was being argued about during the trial, involving testimony from Malcolm Bonnet who told the court that at 3.26am he was contacted by PC West. The 3.36am log contents were disclosed, but not the 3.26am phone log contents which did not come to light until many years later...

What I believe happened was that before J called cop at Chelmsford, that West spoke to Bonnet about dads call at 3.26am. Then when J called at 3.36am, West contacted Bonnet again and told him that the son of Mr Bamber has contacted cm and passed a message, and upon learning of this Bonnet updated the earlier call from dad (3.26am) to that effect. That is why the contents of the 3.26am log are written up like they have been which included information passed to Malcolm Bonnet from dad, and his son. Please note that this same feature is not duplicated in the contents of PC Wests version of J's phone log (3.36am). The other thing you need to be aware of, is the fact that Malcolm Bonnet did not know that PC West kept his own phone log of J's call timed as having started at 3.36am. This became apparent during the trial, and but for the sly prosecution not disclosing the contents of dads log (3.26am), the cop and the civilian employee would have both been rumbled for trying to give damning evidence confirming that dad had called cops, just like the prosecution were alleging that dad would have done, if Sheila had got possession of 'the gun' and was going crazy. West and Bonnett got away with it during the trial by the skin of their teeth, helped by the sly prosecutor. I know exactly what went on, you mark my words.The prosecution couldn't afford to disclose the contents of 'both' phone logs, because the ruse that West and Bonnet pulled off relating to the purported 'timing' of J's call to West 'was' at 3.36am. West and Bonnett made it a confusing issue, and did so deliberately because  prosecution needed an excuse for why the occupants of CA07 had been deployed to the scene (3.35am) before J's call to West at 3.36am, so, between them West and Bonnet sought to bring the time of J's call forward by 10 minutes. Imagine, all hell breaking loose in court if 'both' phone logs had been disclosed to all parties, and the shit hitting the fan, when the defence, the court in general, and the jury, discovered that the contents of each log were different to the other one. The first one, timed at 3.26am,  (ladies and gentlemen of the jury) written as if spoken by dad, the second one, timed at 3.36am, written as if spoken by J. At that point 'the cat would have been out of the bag'. Defence counsel would have reminded the jury in his closing address, how the prosecution and its witnesses, in the form of PC West and Malcolm Bonnet, had set out to create a 'smokescreen' by suggesting that J had called PC West at 3.26am, not at 3.36am like PC West had first thought. However, the real reason for West and Bonnet trying to confuse everybody with these times, surounding J's call to PC West was 'because dad had called cops, himself' at 'that' time (3.26am), and I have no doubt in my mind that the jury would have bought into defence counsels argument to the effect that cops were trying to 'stitch J up for the murders, and that cops and the prosecution only stoop to such lowly despicable tactics when they have no other evidence to rely upon to convict the defendant...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #502 on: May 07, 2016, 05:00:PM »
What reason did West and Bonnett have to conceal a call from Nevill?

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #503 on: May 07, 2016, 05:03:PM »
What reason did West and Bonnett have to conceal a call from Nevill?

That is an excellent question. Do you know the answer?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #504 on: May 07, 2016, 05:23:PM »
That is an excellent question. Do you know the answer?
I would hardly be asking if I did..

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #505 on: May 07, 2016, 05:23:PM »
Ah, just as I thought, you can't think of anything off the top of your head for why both of them should want to conceal the fact that dad 'had' called cops. But there is nothing wrong with not knowing the answer. In fact you yourself have just become a victim of the tactic used by the Prosecutor to question them during their testimony. You see, all cops and civilian employees who work for the cops all know that when you are in the witness box, only answer questions that are asked of you. Answer as often as possible with a yes, or a no, reply. Never volunteer any information that you have not been asked about...

That's what happened during the trial, they were never asked if dad had made a call to cops, so in keeping with their training they did not volunteer that information. Furthermore, defence counsel couldn't question PC West or Malcolm Bonnet about dads call because the prosecution had not disclosed the contents of both logs to them. The gist of what appears to have taken place is that the contents from the 3.36am phone log record, were being spoken about in terms of the call itself having occurred at 3.26am, instead...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #506 on: May 07, 2016, 05:24:PM »
 Because it was Neville's call to the police where it was he who'd mentioned the gun collection---------and not Jeremy,the officers had been confused because of the " two " Mr Bamber's ( as this was presumably how they'd both addressed themselves ) officers decided to put the two separate calls as one Mr Bamber.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #507 on: May 07, 2016, 05:28:PM »
The phone log of Jeremy's doesn't mention firearms. Neville's does.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #508 on: May 07, 2016, 05:35:PM »
Lookout after 30 years you must join David, Trudie and Mike and step up to the plate.

David has sent his forensic evidence breakthrough to Jeremy, and Mike has posted Youtube videos on how the police framed Jeremy. Trudie is sending weekly vlogs.

Jeremy wanted this forum taken down. Posting on it does not benefit him.



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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #509 on: May 07, 2016, 05:37:PM »
 The transcripts of BOTH phone-calls are entirely different---------meaning that there were TWO separate phone-calls made that night/early morning. Both given as Mr Bamber ! Anyone with half a brain can see what's happened.It depends whether you want to or not.