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Offline mike tesko

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #420 on: May 05, 2016, 11:28:AM »
Witham police station received the activation signal of the panic alarm from the farmhouse, at 3.29am. The reason nobody responded to it immediately was because there was nobody present at that point, the only three cops on duty at that station that night were Saxby, Myall and Bews, who were at that stage out dealing with another job. Their absence from the police station at Witham being confirmed 'independantly' by J who tried contacting them there before 3.29am, he got no response, so he then had called his girlfriend Julie (3.30am), she told him to go back to bed...

For the purpose of being specific, this accounts for the confusion surrounding whether J had called cops 'before' or 'after' he had called his girlfriend that morning (3.30am). The correct answer is that he called cops at Witham before he called Julie at 3.30am, and he called Chelmsford cops (3.36am) afterwards...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #421 on: May 05, 2016, 11:30:AM »
Trying to reconstruct events is a worthwhile exercise when you have two factions arguing differently over this issue, or that...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #422 on: May 05, 2016, 11:35:AM »
Trying to reconstruct events is a worthwhile exercise when you have two factions arguing differently over this issue, or that...
The prosecution and its witnesses and supporters have said so many things which they insisted, and continue to insist that J could not have done because of this factor, and that factor, but when I have looked into all these matters, I have found that J's account could be true because despite what the other party has alleged, it could have happened like he has said repeatedly for over 30 years, provable by 'reconstruction of the events' around the 'truths' or 'lies' of either party...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #423 on: May 05, 2016, 11:37:AM »
If Caroline were here she would point out the dried blood also present. By the way, where is Caroline?

Oh I'm still here Steve and yes, other pictures tell a different story.
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #424 on: May 05, 2016, 03:38:PM »
Oh I'm still here Steve and yes, other pictures tell a different story.
I wonder what the smears on the upper wound are? It looks like the lower wound is a frontal shot, and the upper wound was from a positioned shot.
There seems to be a lack of bleeding from the lower wound that makes me wonder if it was a second shot.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #425 on: May 05, 2016, 03:38:PM »
Oh I'm still here Steve and yes, other pictures tell a different story.

This image was taken after the other one, or edited to give the 'impression' that more of the blood had dried. It can be seen in the 2nd image that the blood is starting to coagulate and darken with the passing of time. I hope no-ones trying to suggest that this image was taken before the other one...

A key feature is that there is no presence of the ' purplish mottling' effect that becomes visible a few hours after death has occurred...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #426 on: May 05, 2016, 03:49:PM »
This image was taken after the other one, so as can be seen the blood is starting to coagulate and darken with the passing of time. I hope no-ones trying to suggest that this image was taken before the other one...
I suppose it is possible that the neck shot was after death which would explain the lack of bleeding.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #427 on: May 05, 2016, 04:10:PM »
I suppose it is possible that the neck shot was after death which would explain the lack of bleeding.

Let's reconstruct 'that' scenario with the known facts...

During the autopsy, pathologist, Venezis, removed the bullet from the brain of Sheila (bullet PV/19). He linked this to the uppermost wound upon Sheila's neck. He said in layman's terms, that the bullet entered her body under the chin, up through the roof of her mouth and ended up inside her brain. Death was instantaneous...

OK, with death being instantaneous, why would any would be killer feel it was 'necessary to shoot her a second time, only this time shoot her 'diagonally' across the throat? I can't see how Sheila could have raised the rifle from its original position close to her body to enable that first fatal shot (PV/19) to penetrate into her brain that killed immediately, for the rifle to leap away from her body with her finger still on the trigger, to enable her to shoot herself again across her own neck. Cops at the scene, spoke about the possibility of 'recoil' having occurred to explain one shot having followed the other, but I doubt that very much. Since, in this 'reconstruction' both wounds wound be bleeding together, and there would surely have been a corresponding vertical flow of blood from the upper wound, that matched the vertical blood flow which accompanies the lower wound site...

How is it, that there is no 'verticle' flow of blood emanating from the upper wound, yet there 'is' from the lower wound site. Sheila can't have stood upright after she had already killed herself with the first shot, can she?
« Last Edit: May 05, 2016, 04:11:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #428 on: May 05, 2016, 04:19:PM »
And here, look at the direction of blood flow from the mouth, notice how there isn't a vertical flow of blood from the corners of her mouth to match the obvious movement of her head on at least two occasions, when her head lolled forward twice, evidenced by the same pattern of displaced plugs of clotted blood from that movement in relation to the upper wound, and correspondingly feinted duplications from the lower wound mirrored lower down on her neck. These displaced clots of blood from the upper wound tell us something important. They tell us quite emphatically that 'somebody' moved her body' into that position, not before she was shot under the chin, but afterwards...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #429 on: May 05, 2016, 04:22:PM »
Any cop worth his weight in dodgy pocketbook entries would have noticed this, if they had found Sheila's body like this...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #430 on: May 05, 2016, 04:27:PM »
Any cop worth his weight in dodgy pocketbook entries would have noticed this, if they had found Sheila's body like this...

They would have automatically come to the conclusion, that she could 'not have killed herself, and her body with the gun upon it, and her hand upon the trigger mechanism, end used up as shown in this image, because her head had no ed significantly at least twice after the upper wound had become sealed with clots of plugged blood which had then become 'detached' onto other parts of her throat, with significant intervals between such movement...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #431 on: May 05, 2016, 04:29:PM »
This image was taken after the other one, or edited to give the 'impression' that more of the blood had dried. It can be seen in the 2nd image that the blood is starting to coagulate and darken with the passing of time. I hope no-ones trying to suggest that this image was taken before the other one...

A key feature is that there is no presence of the ' purplish mottling' effect that becomes visible a few hours after death has occurred...

I am suggesting they are part of the same batch of photographs. Some pictures have been distorted because they are pictures of pictures. This is the only close up picture which shows the blood on the mouth and the neck - why does yours ONLY show the neck?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #432 on: May 05, 2016, 04:40:PM »
I am suggesting they are part of the same batch of photographs. Some pictures have been distorted because they are pictures of pictures. This is the only close up picture which shows the blood on the mouth and the neck - why does yours ONLY show the neck?
Hi Caroline thankyou for posting again as you have a lot to offer. As a unconvinced can you give your theory on why there is no blood flow from the lower wound?

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #433 on: May 05, 2016, 04:58:PM »
I am suggesting they are part of the same batch of photographs. Some pictures have been distorted because they are pictures of pictures. This is the only close up picture which shows the blood on the mouth and the neck - why does yours ONLY show the neck?

Photograph cops released to the press, for 'their scoop' story...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #434 on: May 05, 2016, 05:11:PM »
Look what happens when you alter exposure settings, making the victims skin paler...
« Last Edit: May 05, 2016, 05:16:PM by mike tesko »
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