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Offline lookout

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #255 on: April 30, 2016, 11:11:AM »
I smell desperation.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #256 on: April 30, 2016, 12:02:PM »

And doesn't it just make every sense known to man............NOT!!!!!............ to have just ONE panic alarm in a house which could VERY well mean that one would have to walk into the very TEETH of the perceived danger in order to activate it? Duhhhhhh!!!!!!!

There was certainly a panic button, installed as part of the SB protection program. You can scoff all you like. None of you lot have got a legitimate explanation for 'the involvement' of Special Branch in this investigation. Why was DI Soames, and PS Woodcock involved right from the off?  Why was DI Soames hell bent on destroying anything and everything as far as exhibits were concerned, making it more difficult for anyone to come along and a later date, to try to reconstruct precisely what did happen 'Duhhhhhh!!!!!!'
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #257 on: April 30, 2016, 12:05:PM »
There was certainly a panic button, installed as part of the SB protection program. You can scoff all you like. None of you lot have got a legitimate explanation for 'the involvement' of Special Branch in this investigation. Why was DI Soames, and PS Woodcock involved right from the off?  Why was DI Soames hell bent on destroying anything and everything as far as exhibits were concerned, making it more difficult for anyone to come along and a later date, to try to reconstruct precisely what did happen 'Duhhhhhh!!!!!!'

Oh, I get it now, SB's role in every investigation is to destroy evidence to prevent anyone at a later date being able to reconstruct the truth, because it was dodgy evidence that helped convict somebody?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #258 on: April 30, 2016, 12:18:PM »
That's because you invented the 3.36am call.  There only ever was one successful telephone call to the police and that was to PC West who then contacted police civilian operator Malcolm Bonnet to arrange deployments. If PC West or anyone else for that matter had spoken with Nevill Bamber then they would have given evidence to that effect.

You xxxxx xxxx xxxxxxx, how the xxx did I invent the 3.36am phone call that J made. Stop being such a complete xxxxx. Can't you think up something more constructive to say. Fancy falsely alleging that I made up J's call to PC West. Get 'a brain cell', how come in the court of appeal judgement (2002), that the judges commented on it being something of a mystery why the occupants of CA07 had been deployed to the farmhouse before J had even spoken to PC West? So, the judges at the appeal made that up as well? CA07 were deployed at 3.35am,  now if you did but not know it,  the judges accepted that Bews , Myall and Saxby, got deployed 'prior' to J calling PC West, so you can't possibly be right in what you have maliciously alleged in your post. Next you'll be inventing other lies, and condo,acting other stories about the timing of that deployment (3.35am) is wrong. So, go on move the time back. It doesn't make any difference how far back you want to move the time, because the occupants of CA07 were always deployed to the scene, 'beforw' J's call to PC West. And 'that fact' Sunshine is where cops made a catastrophic mistake as part of their 'cover up'. Now run along back to red and tell them all what a great job you did trying to put me in my place...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #259 on: April 30, 2016, 12:32:PM »
There was certainly a panic button, installed as part of the SB protection program. You can scoff all you like. None of you lot have got a legitimate explanation for 'the involvement' of Special Branch in this investigation. Why was DI Soames, and PS Woodcock involved right from the off?  Why was DI Soames hell bent on destroying anything and everything as far as exhibits were concerned, making it more difficult for anyone to come along and a later date, to try to reconstruct precisely what did happen 'Duhhhhhh!!!!!!'


And I will continue to do so because I know beyond a SHADOW of doubt, that if there is considered the need to install a personal safety alarm system, it will be a universal system that is installed and NOT a one off in a random position which could mean someone walking into danger before they get the chance to activate it. Oh, and the first thing which would be attended to would be the standard of the catches/locking facilities on the windows.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #260 on: April 30, 2016, 12:34:PM »
I smell desperation.


Desperation about WHAT, exactly, Lookout?

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #261 on: April 30, 2016, 12:44:PM »
There was certainly a panic button, installed as part of the SB protection program. You can scoff all you like. None of you lot have got a legitimate explanation for 'the involvement' of Special Branch in this investigation. Why was DI Soames, and PS Woodcock involved right from the off?  Why was DI Soames hell bent on destroying anything and everything as far as exhibits were concerned, making it more difficult for anyone to come along and a later date, to try to reconstruct precisely what did happen 'Duhhhhhh!!!!!!'

I'm afraid you're in yet another dead end alley on that one.   

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #262 on: April 30, 2016, 12:46:PM »
You xxxxx xxxx xxxxxxx, how the xxx did I invent the 3.36am phone call that J made. Stop being such a complete xxxxx. Can't you think up something more constructive to say. Fancy falsely alleging that I made up J's call to PC West. Get 'a brain cell', how come in the court of appeal judgement (2002), that the judges commented on it being something of a mystery why the occupants of CA07 had been deployed to the farmhouse before J had even spoken to PC West? So, the judges at the appeal made that up as well? CA07 were deployed at 3.35am,  now if you did but not know it,  the judges accepted that Bews , Myall and Saxby, got deployed 'prior' to J calling PC West, so you can't possibly be right in what you have maliciously alleged in your post. Next you'll be inventing other lies, and condo,acting other stories about the timing of that deployment (3.35am) is wrong. So, go on move the time back. It doesn't make any difference how far back you want to move the time, because the occupants of CA07 were always deployed to the scene, 'beforw' J's call to PC West. And 'that fact' Sunshine is where cops made a catastrophic mistake as part of their 'cover up'. Now run along back to red and tell them all what a great job you did trying to put me in my place...

You can shout and scream all you want but Malcolm Bonnett never received any telephone call from the Bambers...End Off!

The first and only call to police was made by Jeremy Bamber to PC West at around 3.26am. West communicated the call to civilian operator Bonnett as Jeremy Bamber waited on the line. Night crew Bews, Myall and Saxby were then alerted and at 3.37am made their way to WHF passing a malingering Jeremy Bamber on the way.  The firearms teams were also alerted and arrived shortly thereafter.

In case you haven't yet grasped it...  THERE WAS NO SECOND TELEPHONE CALL TO POLICE!
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #263 on: April 30, 2016, 01:40:PM »
If Neville phoned the police Sheila would have only 22 minutes to do everything prior to the police arriving.

She would have to wait for Neville to finish the call. Which may take several minutes. Then she can get around to shooting him upstairs in the bedroom. Fighting with him in the kitchen, shooting him again. And then burning his back.

Once Neville was negated, Sheila could get on with killing everyone else, having a shower, changing, reading the bible, writing a suicide note and shooting herself.

All of which would take over an hour.
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #264 on: April 30, 2016, 02:53:PM »
If Neville phoned the police Sheila would have only 22 minutes to do everything prior to the police arriving.

She would have to wait for Neville to finish the call. Which may take several minutes. Then she can get around to shooting him upstairs in the bedroom. Fighting with him in the kitchen, shooting him again. And then burning his back.

Once Neville was negated, Sheila could get on with killing everyone else, having a shower, changing, reading the bible, writing a suicide note and shooting herself.

All of which would take over an hour.

Another good post.  These points can never be addressed by supporters because frankly nobody beleves it any more.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #265 on: April 30, 2016, 04:51:PM »

Desperation about WHAT, exactly, Lookout?






In trying to rustle up anything that points towards guilt. A SUDDEN change of mind that there was no panic alarm installed,for instance. Is this why nobody believes what the paper said about Neville having been found in the hall ? Alarms are usually by the front door-------for obvious reasons.
Do you think that Neville would have gone around telling everyone there was one installed ? He wouldn't have even told Sheila or Jeremy and this is partly the reason why anyone refuses to imagine that there was such a thing in the house. It goes against the grain of the guilters to have known there was one fitted.
It would have been installed since the threat to the family which Neville and possibly June knew about,but nobody else.
June very likely wrote her" message " in view of this should anything happen. Her note was very telling !!

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #266 on: April 30, 2016, 05:31:PM »





In trying to rustle up anything that points towards guilt. A SUDDEN change of mind that there was no panic alarm installed,for instance. Is this why nobody believes what the paper said about Neville having been found in the hall ? Alarms are usually by the front door-------for obvious reasons.
Do you think that Neville would have gone around telling everyone there was one installed ? He wouldn't have even told Sheila or Jeremy and this is partly the reason why anyone refuses to imagine that there was such a thing in the house. It goes against the grain of the guilters to have known there was one fitted.
It would have been installed since the threat to the family which Neville and possibly June knew about,but nobody else.
June very likely wrote her" message " in view of this should anything happen. Her note was very telling !!


OK, Lookout. There's this middle aged couple who live in a large and isolated house. He has apparently come under threat from someone to do with his position as a magistrate so the police decide that a personal panic system should be installed. Without checking the property's security, ie, making  enquiries about the possibility of there already being a burglar alarm and checking the security of windows and doors -Nevill couldn't have been unaware that Jeremy, and others, had used the windows as a means of entry-  they install ONE panic button. Does such TRULY strike you as having the ring of truth? It hardly makes sense to place ONE panic alarm near a door in a house of that size when entry could be achieved in other ways.

I have lived along side a family who were given police protection because of a threat which was taken seriously. There were alarms placed in every room in their house and their children were taken to school and escorted home by police. It's academic whether Nevill would have told Jeremy or others -however, HAD the threat been to the entire family, he and they would have had every right to know as there were children involved- but the more word could have been circulated that there was protection in place, the less likely an attack would be attempted. It's also worth noting that Nevill would have been far more likely to have come under attack whilst he was going about his daily business. I don't recall that this fact was ever mentioned, by EP, that they felt it necessary to guard him 24/7. It also occurs to me that HAD a threat been made against the entire family it would have been a lucky person to have managed an attack at the very time MOST were under the one roof, as it was a rare occurence.

This has NOTHING to do with "trying to rustle up anything that points towards guilt". It's down to plain common sense. I'd also ask you where is there proof of any involvement by SB to protect Nevill, OTHER than Mike's hints about Jeremy's biological background. I note that whilst you challenge me, you accept what he says, without question.
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #267 on: April 30, 2016, 05:38:PM »





In trying to rustle up anything that points towards guilt. A SUDDEN change of mind that there was no panic alarm installed,for instance. Is this why nobody believes what the paper said about Neville having been found in the hall ? Alarms are usually by the front door-------for obvious reasons.
Do you think that Neville would have gone around telling everyone there was one installed ? He wouldn't have even told Sheila or Jeremy and this is partly the reason why anyone refuses to imagine that there was such a thing in the house. It goes against the grain of the guilters to have known there was one fitted.
It would have been installed since the threat to the family which Neville and possibly June knew about,but nobody else.
June very likely wrote her" message " in view of this should anything happen. Her note was very telling !!

There is NO PROOF that any such device was ever installed.  Had there been such a device fitted Jeremy and other close family members would have definitely known about it.  There wasn't anything going on in that farmhouse that Jeremy didn't know about and anyone who suggests differently is delusional.
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #268 on: April 30, 2016, 05:49:PM »
But it does, not one single piece of exculpatory evidence has ever been provided.


Just because YOU have not seen such evidence or don't understand such evidence does mean it does not exist.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #269 on: April 30, 2016, 05:55:PM »

Just because YOU have not seen such evidence or don't understand such evidence does mean it does not exist.


And how much more condescending can you get?