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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #210 on: April 28, 2016, 03:58:AM »
Here is the route that J took from on his cottage at Head Street, to D'arcy Way on the Tollsbury Road (3.1miles) . I recon that J completed this section of the journey in around a 'couple of minutes'. If correct, this information and analysis confirms the account given to me by J regarding 'that' journey, and serves to debunk what others have said about how fast or slow he drove to the farmhouse that morning. The fact of the matter is that he drove extremely fast along the first section of the route. He drove normal through the hub of the village. Then after cops flew past him just as he was coming from the centre of the village near to D'arcy way, he admittedly drove at a leisurely sedate pace...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #211 on: April 28, 2016, 04:03:AM »
From the diagram you gave, you included a short stretch of D'Arcy Way, measuring about 0.1 miles, that doesn't apply, as the intended location is in Tollesbury Road, near the junction with D'Arcy way. The remaining 1.2 miles, travelled at an average of 30 mph would have taken Jeremy two minutes and twenty-four seconds. The route planners normally used assume typical traffic conditions, which would not apply in the middle of the night, so they use a lower average speed and calculate a correspondingly longer time interval.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #212 on: April 28, 2016, 04:12:AM »
From the diagram you gave, you included a short stretch of D'Arcy Way, measuring about 0.1 miles, that doesn't apply, as the intended location is in Tollesbury Road, near the junction with D'Arcy way. The remaining 1.2 miles, travelled at an average of 30 mph would have taken Jeremy two minutes and twenty-four seconds. The route planners normally used assume typical traffic conditions, which would not apply in the middle of the night, so they use a lower average speed and calculate a correspondingly longer time interval.

Correct...

It's the same principle from the start point in the other diagram, J left 9 Head Street, not No.32...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #213 on: April 28, 2016, 04:25:AM »
Here is my method for calculating the speed for the distances specified. In particular, that first stretch from Head Street to D'arcy way on the Tollsbury Road...


The vehicle owned by J was a Vauxhall astra GTE capable of reaching speeds of 125 mph...

3.1 miles X 60 \ 1.5 minutes = 124 mph
3.1 miles X 60 \ 1.75 minutes = 106 mph
3.1 miles X 60 \ 2 minutes = 90 mph
3.1 miles X 60 \ 2.5 minutes = 74 mph
3.1 miles X 60 \ 3 minutes = 62 mph
3.1 miles X 60 \ 3.5 minute's = 53 mph
3.1 miles X 60 \ 4 minutes = 46 mph
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #214 on: April 28, 2016, 04:35:AM »
Regarding the first part of Jeremy's journey, having seen your video of the trip you made, I think it's physically impossible to average anything like 80 mph, though a high speed could be achieved briefly in places. However, we don't know how many minutes Jeremy had available for that part of his journey as we don't know the exact time when he left his home. He could have left home at, say, 03:41 and travelled at about 30 mph, or he could have left home at 03:43 and travelled at a higher average speed. Either possibility is consistent with being overtaken as described at about 03:46 or 03:47, which, when the time the police needed to reach where they parked is added on, gives about 03:48, matching the time that Bonnett logged. Also, both possibilities are consistent with the time of 03:42 that Pc West logged in relation to when he was told that a WHF telephone was off-hook, which was after Jeremy's call had ended.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #215 on: April 28, 2016, 04:35:AM »
Here is my method for calculating the speed for the distances specified. In particular, that first stretch from Head Street to D'arcy way on the Tollsbury Road...


The vehicle owned by J was a Vauxhall astra GTE capable of reaching speeds of 125 mph...

3.1 miles X 60 \ 1.5 minutes = 124 mph
3.1 miles X 60 \ 1.75 minutes = 106 mph
3.1 miles X 60 \ 2 minutes = 90 mph
3.1 miles X 60 \ 2.5 minutes = 74 mph
3.1 miles X 60 \ 3 minutes = 62 mph
3.1 miles X 60 \ 3.5 minute's = 53 mph
3.1 miles X 60 \ 4 minutes = 46 mph

J sped along the first stretch of the journey, driving at excessive speeds, slowed down for the hub of the village, then drove rather sedately for the remainder of the way, grateful that cops didn't stop him for speeding along the first stretch of his journey...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #216 on: April 28, 2016, 04:52:AM »
Regarding the first part of Jeremy's journey, having seen your video of the trip you made, I think it's physically impossible to average anything like 80 mph, though a high speed could be achieved briefly in places. However, we don't know how many minutes Jeremy had available for that part of his journey as we don't know the exact time when he left his home. He could have left home at, say, 03:41 and travelled at about 30 mph, or he could have left home at 03:43 and travelled at a higher average speed. Either possibility is consistent with being overtaken as described at about 03:46 or 03:47, which, when the time the police needed to reach where they parked is added on, gives about 03:48, matching the time that Bonnett logged. Also, both possibilities are consistent with the time of 03:42 that Pc West logged in relation to when he was told that a WHF telephone was off-hook, which was after Jeremy's call had ended.

Yes, I accept that...

One of the problems in this case has been time keeping by all the parties concerned at different stages of the investigation. None more so than J himself. Since when I first met J in 1989 whilst we were both serving prisoners, and much later on after my release from custody and when I acted as his McKenzie man, his friend and during visits, through letter writing, and speaking to him on the telephone, it became clear to me that J couldn't remember the specific timings of events, only the sequence with which he could remember them having happened. Today, however, J is referring to timed events because others have put a time to them, either during his trial, or in the file that was disclosed to him after the failed 2002 appeal and so on and so forth. I suppose in many ways I preferred it when J did not remember timed events, because it was because of this failing on his part, that I interrogated him more intensely to try to get at the truth. His truth that he spoke about to me and with me was chiefly about the sequence of each event not the timings of them, and I think that because of this problem, if you like, I got a better understanding of what happened through his eyes, not anybody else's. I can assure you and everybody else that my recollection of what J told me about that journey from his cottage that morning to the farmhouse is absolutely true. He was speeding during that first stretch, slowed down through the centre of the village, saw the cops hurtling up behind him out of the centre of the village. Fearing the worst, thinking cops were going to pull him over for the speeding offences he had just committed he drove at 30 mph thinking cops were going to stop him. Once cops got past him, he told me that he was just so relieved that he had got away without getting a speeding ticket, and that was why he took his time for the remainder of his journey...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #217 on: April 28, 2016, 04:59:AM »
As Jeremy had to make a 90 degree turn to leave Head Street, he certainly didn't average a high speed along Head Street. Also, the distance to where he was overtaken was less than 3.1 miles as he didn't turn into D'Arcy Way. Such details don't really matter, though, as we don't know precisely when he departed.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #218 on: April 28, 2016, 05:16:AM »
Its things like this that gave me confidence in what J was telling me about things to do with his convictions being 'wrong', as he used to put it, ' I didn't have anything whatsoever to do with killing any one member of my family', he used to say, ' you've got to believe me, Mike', he would often say. It wasn't a case of me believing what he used to tell me, it was about finding out the truth from his perspective, listening to him, interrogating him, much pondering on my part. Did he do it? Didn't he do it? If he did do it, how had he done it? If he hadn't done it, how had they 'all' framed him for doing it? I decided from an early stage, after some contemplating, that the best way forward insofar as to his possible culpability was concerned, was to try to get the sequence with which J says he can remember about how things had panned out or happened. And that is what I did. One thing I have learned from the vast knowledge I possess through being regarded as a career criminal by the authorities, is that the most import feature in any prosecution or police investigation is 'timing'. 'Tempest fugit', and time stands still for nobody. If you can get an accurate account of the sequence of events it will stand you in good stead. In most cases, that's how cops put innocent victims in the frame. They do it by presenting evidence with timed events. They falsify it deliberately sometimes, and get witnesses to lie about the time this happened, or the time that happened, or I saw him at this time, and I spoke to him at this and that time. What I learned during my 60 years is that the all important feature in any case, is trying to identify the actual true sequence of events, no matter how trivial a thing it might be that you find yourself wanting to find out about, its timing that counts in law, but the next best thing if you can't remember timed events, is the sequence with which things happened in...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #219 on: April 28, 2016, 05:22:AM »
Do I believe J to be guilty?

No, of course he didn't do it...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #220 on: April 28, 2016, 08:38:AM »
It really is 'interesting' that  PS Bews , thought that when J's astra GTE turned its headlights into Pages Lane, off the Tollsbury Road, and he and the other two cops with him, thought it was 'their back up', CA05, arriving at the scene. Since, it was the occupants of CA05 which got deployed to the scene (3.36am) in response to J's call (3.36am), yet although mention en route to the scene, the occupants of CA07 had been made aware of J's call to PC West, there is no logical explanation for why they should have been deployed to this incident (3.35am) prior to J calling the cops at 3.36am. It's out of 'sync', ambiguous, contradictory, and rather puzzling...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #221 on: April 28, 2016, 08:48:AM »
It really is 'interesting' that  PS Bews , thought that when J's astra GTE turned its headlights into Pages Lane, off the Tollsbury Road, and he and the other two cops with him, thought it was 'their back up', CA05, arriving at the scene. Since, it was the occupants of CA05 which got deployed to the scene (3.36am) in response to J's call (3.36am), yet although mention en route to the scene, the occupants of CA07 had been made aware of J's call to PC West, there is no logical explanation for why they should have been deployed to this incident (3.35am) prior to J calling the cops at 3.36am. It's out of 'sync', ambiguous, contradictory, and rather puzzling...

That is...

Until you link it with the earlier call made by PC West to Malcolm Bonnet, minutes before West had called Bonnet upon receiving J's 3.36am, call. PC West claimed he had 'forgot' what he had been contacting Bonnet on that earlier occasion, but it seems almost certain that it was in connection with dads call to cops, the detail of which can be found in the contents of Bonnets 3.26am phone long. On the second time West contacted bonnet after 3.36am, it was to update Bonnet of the fact that J had contacted Chelmsford (cm) and passed a similar message in his 3.36am call to cops, as the detail given to cops by dad as per Bonnets phone log timed at 3.26am. When PC West spoke to Bonnet about J contacting cops, Bonnet simply added that information onto the bottom part of dads 3.26am, log...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #222 on: April 28, 2016, 06:24:PM »
So you're alleging that Nevill phoned PC West or Bonnett? What do you know of these two individuals?

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #223 on: April 28, 2016, 08:01:PM »
I've been reading that there WAS a panic button at WHF during the time of the murders. It was explained by Vidvic,who would obviously have known,knowing the family. The post was made at 11.38pm on the night of December 3rd 2012.

This would answer my query about Neville having been found in the hall as was stated in a few newspapers when the tragedy was reported.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #224 on: April 28, 2016, 08:03:PM »
Confirmation of the above is found on the thread " How Bent Was Basil " December 4th 2012.