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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #195 on: April 27, 2016, 08:06:PM »
Yes, it is Sheila, you do not know what you are talking about.
Why is the background black in a police photograph? Can you post the whole of the picture, not just the head, and can you explain how and when you acquired this image? If this image matches one used in the documentary, is that because (according to you) the documentary used a police photograph of Sheila's body?

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #196 on: April 27, 2016, 08:09:PM »
Going on cop accounts, the occupants of CA07 overtook J in his astra car at a particular spot. So, here is an opportunity to calculate how far from (a) Witham police station, and (b) J's cottage, that 'overtaking spot', was / is. We can then accurately calculate the true time of J's call to PC West, and see whether or not the occupants had been deployed to the incident, before J's call, or afterward...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #197 on: April 27, 2016, 08:55:PM »
The occupants of CA07 estimated that J arrived in Pages lane driving his astra 3 or 4 minutes after they themselves had arrived there. This places J's arrival there in Pages Lane, between 3.51 and 3.52am...
That's misleading. According to Pc Saxby, the three to four minutes was from when Jeremy's car was overtaken to when CA7 parked. Pc Myall and Ps Bews initially disagreed, but Bews made an additional statement, dated 19 September, 1985, that contained a correction: "To clarify matters . . . I actually meant that three to four minutes had elapsed from the vehicle I was travelling in . . . passing the Silver coloured Vauxhall Astra GTE . . . and Jeremy Bamber arriving at the scene in a vehicle identical to the one passed in Tollesbury Road." There was no reason for any of these officers to measure this time interval, and none of the officers stated that they had looked at any watch or clock, so "three to four minutes" can't be regarded as reliable anyway.
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #198 on: April 27, 2016, 09:21:PM »
We can then accurately calculate the true time of J's call to PC West, and see whether or not the occupants had been deployed to the incident, before J's call, or afterward...
It can't be determined accurately enough, as we don't know exactly when Jeremy's call ended or exactly how much time elapsed between when the call ended and when Jeremy set off. However, the police estimates of Jeremy's speed when overtaken are consistent with his having called Pc West at 03:36 and departed about six or seven minutes later. Had he called Pc West about 10 minutes earlier, he had time to spare, but he might have needed that time to get dressed - we don't know, as Jeremy hasn't stated at what stage he got dressed.

Bonnett's logged time indicate that CA07's journey time was 13 minutes, but the car was being driven fast and could have covered the distance in slightly less time, such as 12 minutes.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #199 on: April 28, 2016, 12:58:AM »
That's misleading. According to Pc Saxby, the three to four minutes was from when Jeremy's car was overtaken to when CA7 parked. Pc Myall and Ps Bews initially disagreed, but Bews made an additional statement, dated 19 September, 1985, that contained a correction: "To clarify matters . . . I actually meant that three to four minutes had elapsed from the vehicle I was travelling in . . . passing the Silver coloured Vauxhall Astra GTE . . . and Jeremy Bamber arriving at the scene in a vehicle identical to the one passed in Tollesbury Road." There was no reason for any of these officers to measure this time interval, and none of the officers stated that they had looked at any watch or clock, so "three to four minutes" can't be regarded as reliable anyway.

According to Bews they overtook the silver astra GTE on the tollsbury Road where it meets with the junction of D'arcy way...

D'arcy Way was about 1.3 miles away from the scene, and according to Google maps, and AA Route Planner, such a journey would take 3 minutes and 40 seconds. Based on these statistics it puts PS News into perspective. Basically put, J must have arrived there in Pages Lane just behind the occupants of CA07. More worryingly, Bews talks about seeing headlights of J's astra turning into Pages after they had arrived there, which he thought was their 'back up car, CA05', yet the occupants of CA05 had been deployed 'before them' to the incident, not afterwards. This anomaly presents a further inconsistency in why the occupants of CA07 were 'actually' deployed to this incident...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #200 on: April 28, 2016, 01:27:AM »
Bews makes mention in his 19th Sepember, 1985, witness statement of him thinking that the headlights of J's vehicle that he first saw turning into Pages Lane, as being their 'back up car' CA07...

His comments about the length of time it took J's car to arrive in Pages Lane behind their car, is a true reflection of the actual time it might have taken a driver to get from the 'passing location' at D'arcy way, along the Tollsbury Road, into Pages Lane itself, in a vehicle driven legally by a member of the public as opposed to a fast police car responding by that stage, to 'a logged call' timed at 3.26am, and 'another logged call' timed at 3.36am (the latter call having been made to cops by J, after the occupants of CA07 had already been deployed to the incident)...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #201 on: April 28, 2016, 01:39:AM »
The occupants of CA07 left 'after' the logged 3.26am call had been made and logged, but 'before' the other 3.36am call was made and logged...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #202 on: April 28, 2016, 01:52:AM »
The occupants of CA07 left 'after' the logged 3.26am call had been made and logged, but 'before' the other 3.36am call was made and logged...

Compare this with the fact that the occupants of CA05 left 'after' both calls had been made, and logged - with this mind, and the location from which CA05 was being deployed from (Chelmsford police station), why would Bews  be thinking that when J's astra turned into Pages Lane, that he thought the car had been their 'back up' car, when such a journey was by all accounts some 45 minutes away from the scene? This leads to the suggestion that Bews must have received information from Chelmsford control room that CA05 were already on their way to the same incident some 30 minutes or so, before Bews  and his crew themselves had been deployed to the same matter. Since, how did Bews expect the 'back up' car (CA05) to be arriving in Pages Lane, just behind themselves, consistent with the time it took CA07 to travel from when they overtook J in his car at D'arcy way along the Tollsbury Road to the scene, if the occupants of CA05 had not actually been deployed from Chelmsford cop shop until 'after' J' 3.36am call to cops?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #203 on: April 28, 2016, 01:58:AM »
It's astonishing that PS Bews should be thinking at around 3.48am that the headlights of J's car turning into Pages Lane were the lights from 'their back up car' (CA05) - another 'trick of light', I suppose that's what we can put this down to...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #204 on: April 28, 2016, 02:26:AM »
On a more serious note, there is clearly something 'very wrong' with the timings of both phone call logs, and the deployment of the occupants of both CA07 and CA05, and their respective arrival times at the scene (3.48 and 4.22am). This must surely have got something to do with the two occasions that PC West had spoken to Malcolm Bonnet on the internal line at Chelmsford police station. Something is not right here, its too much of a coincidence that PC West could not remember what he had contacted Bonnet about prior to him speaking to Bonnet about J's 3.36am call. But it seems almost certain that PC West had already spoken to Bonnet about the same incident that the son (J) had phoned in about. If you take that approach and with the benefit of what else is now known, then it appears to show some sort of support for the case that in fact 'there had been two different calls' made to cops, 10 minutes a part, one by dad at 3.26am, the other by the son (J) at 3.36am. West had spoken to Bonnet about the unfolding drama at whf 'prior' to receiving J's call at 3.36am, at which stage the occupants of CA07 had already been deployed to the incident, possibly because they were the closest police unit to the scene, and because the occupants of CA05 were currently dealing with another matter. It may well be that the occupants of CA07 who got deployed to the incident at 3.35am were given information about the possibility of CA05 being deployed, or already having been deployed to the incident as well, which caused PS Bews  to suspect that the head lights he saw turning into Pages Lane, had been the lights of 'their back up car' CA05, when it turned out to be J in his Astra. Those two occasions when PC West contacted Bonnet must both be linked to the drama unfolding at whf. This would explain the words used in both phone logs, the former log having been recorded in a manner clearly befitting a call from dad to cops, the latter befitting the call from J to cops. Interestingly enough, in the former example, the phraseology of the log is contradictory by the 'inclusion' of the fact that ' the son of Mr Bamber had been in contact with CM and passed a message'. This is consistent with PC West having contacted Malcolm Bonnet after receiving J's call at 3.36am, and Bonnet updating the first log (3.26am) with that information...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #205 on: April 28, 2016, 02:43:AM »
Why is the background black in a police photograph?
The background is dark because of the shadow cast by the Camera due to the angle at which the image was filmed. The image showing Sheila's body with all the additional blood across the right side of her face and neck, is a 'still' taken from one of the crime scene videos, that Producers of the documentary got there hands on. The quality is different between it and the photographs taken by PC Bird earlier. You can see a similar shadow cast beyond Sheila's body beneath the bedside cabinet in the images taken by PC Bird after 10 ' O'clock...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #206 on: April 28, 2016, 02:47:AM »
J was clearly en route to the farmhouse 'already' by 3.45am, because at around this time the occupants of CA07 had overtaken him in his astra at the junction along the Tollsbury Road, with D'arcy way...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #207 on: April 28, 2016, 03:32:AM »
Having had a great many opportunities to interrogate J about the journey he took that morning from his cottage to the scene, I found out a lot of things not reported at the time or since. In particular, about how fast he was driving on different stretches of the journey...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #208 on: April 28, 2016, 03:38:AM »
Having had a great many opportunities to interrogate J about the journey he took that morning from his cottage to the scene, I found out a lot of things not reported at the time or since. In particular, about how fast he was driving on different stretches of the journey...

For example, during the first stretch of 'that' journey, I learned that J had broken the law by hurtling along toward the village of D'arcy at speeds between 80 to 90 MPH....

Then, he had to reduce his speed dramatically when he hit the village...

It did not help matters, as he wound his way through D'arcy, that he became aware of the cop car with its blue lights flashing, and J thought the cops were trying to pull him over for 'speeding', so by the time cops were overtaking him on the Tollsbury Road, at the junction with D'arcy way, J was travelling at a law abiding 30 MPH...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #209 on: April 28, 2016, 03:48:AM »
I have examined the route that J took on that occasion, armed with the untapped information from J about that journey. It was true what J told me, since along that first stretch toward D'arcy J could easily have reached speeds of over 80mph, until he hit the hub of the village. Then a somewhat guarded drive through the centre and out onto the Tollsbury Road in his astra GTE. He had just got through the hub at the centre of the village when he becomes aware of the cop car with its flashing blue lights ablaze. He fears the worse and maintains a steady 30mph, expecting to be pulled for speeding, but to his surprise the cops fly past him. He was not to know that these very same cops that were in this car were en route to the farmhouse having been deployed there prior to J calling police himself (3.36am). He drove the remainder of the route at a normal speed, thankful that cops hadn't nabbed him for speeding...
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