What makes Bamber innocent?

[mike tesko]

Certainly NOT. It was you who suggested it when you posted those pictures INSISTING that the women in them were Sheila and June.........................Oh, and if desperate attempts were made to keep her alive, how come some of her ribs weren't broken? And where is the proof that such ever occurred?

Where is your evidence, please 'educate me, of the fact as suggested by you, that whenever someone has 'CPR' perform upon them, that with 100% certainty, the victim will always end up with broken ribs? You are now snatching at straws, since what you are suggesting is certainly 'not true' in every case, and it was 'not true' in Sheila's case...

[mike tesko]

Can anybody tell me (if they know) that when President Kennedy was assassinated, if 'CPR was performed, and if it was, whether this resulted in him receiving 'broken ribs'?

[mike tesko]

We can't trust all the people that work for the authorities, ordinary men and women, including all the young people have got to start questioning the motives of these people in key positions, as to whether they are reporting the 'truth', or as the case may be, 'a pack of lies'...

As the saying goes (X files) 'The truth is out there'...

[John]

I'm afraid you are wrong Mike, the second photo was taken in the mortuary after transportation.  The pathologist later commented on the photos of Sheila taken at the crime scene compared to what he found at the mortuary.

[mike tesko]

I'm afraid you are wrong Mike, the second photo was taken in the mortuary after transportation.  The pathologist later commented on the photos of Sheila taken at the crime scene compared to what he found at the mortuary.

No, John, I am not wrong, DS Davidson removed the jewellery from Sheila (ND/4) before PC Bird took his mortuary photographs...

[guest7363]

Where is your evidence, please 'educate me, of the fact as suggested by you, that whenever someone has 'CPR' perform upon them, that with 100% certainty, the victim will always end up with broken ribs? You are now snatching at straws, since what you are suggesting is certainly 'not true' in every case, and it was 'not true' in Sheila's case...

I don't think it is with 100 per cent Mike that they would end up with broken ribs, but in the 80s you was taught to give I hard thump to the chest area ( The precordial thump ) this was to try and get the heart started, they stopped doing this later because it was causing broken ribs, CPR in itself does cause broken ribs, it's the ribs breaking away from the sternum. And yes, it does happen, and unless the patient is very large and/or muscular, "ribs" will break. So when someone refers to breaking ribs, it's just assumed that it's the first several crunches you hear when they snap away from the sternum.  We trained with the mines for competition and was well aware about ribs breaking, several of my team mates went on to be paramedics.

[mike tesko]

I don't think it is with 100 per cent Mike that they would end up with broken ribs, but in the 80s you was taught to give I hard thump to the chest area ( The precordial thump ) this was to try and get the heart started, they stopped doing this later because it was causing broken ribs, CPR in itself does cause broken ribs, it's the ribs breaking away from the sternum. And yes, it does happen, and unless the patient is very large and/or muscular, "ribs" will break. So when someone refers to breaking ribs, it's just assumed that it's the first several crunches you hear when they snap away from the sternum.  We trained with the mines for competition and was well aware about ribs breaking, several of my team mates went on to be paramedics.

Thanks for that, but in any event although  three X rays were taken of Sheila, only the one showing her neck and part skull have ever been disclosed. So, unless someone examines those other two, we will never know whether or not Sheila sustained broken ribs as a result of CPR having been applied in her particular case...

[mike tesko]

Thanks for that, but in any event although  three X rays were taken of Sheila, only the one showing her neck and part skull have ever been disclosed. So, unless someone examines those other two, we will never know whether or not Sheila sustained broken ribs as a result of CPR having been applied in her particular case...

Applying CPR technique may result in blood being forced out of the orifices, such as the mouth, the nostrils, and open wounds in parts of the body linked to the 'respirator system', clearly visible in the following image of 'the daughter'...

[guest7363]

Thanks for that, but in any event although  three X rays were taken of Sheila, only the one showing her neck and part skull have ever been disclosed. So, unless someone examines those other two, we will never know whether or not Sheila sustained broken ribs as a result of CPR having been applied in her particular case...

They have changed the way CPR is performed that many times one cannot keep up, the reason I stopped practicing first aid was the threat of being taken to court if something like this happened or I did something wrong.

[lookout]

I would say that's aspirated blood around her mouth.

[John]

No, John, I am not wrong, DS Davidson removed the jewellery from Sheila (ND/4) before PC Bird took his mortuary photographs...

Conveniently you believe the police when it suits and call them liars and conspirators when it doesn't. 

It is standard procedure to photograph a body on arrival but then you wouldnt know that being a civilian.

[lookout]

John,it's also standard procedure to give a time of death too ? What happened ?

[John]

John,it's also standard procedure to give a time of death too ? What happened ?

Not when it couldn't be established.  Due to the delay in entering the house and the failure to call the pathologist to the crimescene, that opportunity was lost.

[Jane]

Where is your evidence, please 'educate me, of the fact as suggested by you, that whenever someone has 'CPR' perform upon them, that with 100% certainty, the victim will always end up with broken ribs? You are now snatching at straws, since what you are suggesting is certainly 'not true' in every case, and it was 'not true' in Sheila's case...

It wouldn't stand a chance of being so when CPR wasn't attempted. Where is your evidence of it being so?

[lookout]

Not when it couldn't be established.  Due to the delay in entering the house and the failure to call the pathologist to the crimescene, that opportunity was lost.

John,so far as I understand,no attempt was ever made to establish any times of death,which if it had been done according to " the book " would then have possibly saved even a trial.