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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #75 on: April 24, 2016, 01:29:PM »
Bews is an integral part of the cover up regarding not only the 'sighting of the person at the upstairs bedroom window', but he was actively involved and responsible for relaying the message from the scene to the control room, regarding the 'presence of Sheila, downstairs in the kitchen' between 7.37am, and 8.10am...

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For over 30 years Bews has been personally responsible for keeping J in Prison convicted of murdering his sister, when he could not possibly have shot and killed her upstairs in the bedroom, when he knows with 100% certainty that Sheilas body was downstairs in the kitchen for at least 33 minutes. Bews is a witness who could if he wanted to, end J's living nightmare by coming out of the woodwork and fessin' up to what I am drawing e eryones attention too...

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #76 on: April 24, 2016, 01:30:PM »
For over 30 years Bews has been personally responsible for keeping J in Prison convicted of murdering his sister, when he could not possibly have shot and killed her upstairs in the bedroom, when he knows with 100% certainty that Sheilas body was downstairs in the kitchen for at least 33 minutes. Bews is a witness who could if he wanted to, end J's living nightmare by coming out of the woodwork and fessin' up to what I am drawing everyones attention too...

But, will he?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #77 on: April 24, 2016, 01:57:PM »
Allow me to remind everybody, that it wasn't until after the COLP enquiry that it became common knowledge that J had indeed complained to Oliver Saxby when news was broke to J that all his family had been found  shot dead inside the farmhouse, that 'cops must have shot them all dead'. During my interrogation of J (some time ago, now I might add) I became extremely interested in what made J say that to the cop, at that time? I wanted to know why J thought the cops had shot dead all his family? His replies (because I always made it my business to go back over things at a moments notice, so as not to allow him time to think up answers) were very interesting...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #78 on: April 24, 2016, 02:03:PM »
Allow me to remind everybody, that it wasn't until after the COLP enquiry that it became common knowledge that J had indeed complained to Oliver Saxby when news was broke to J that all his family had been found  shot dead inside the farmhouse, that 'cops must have shot them all dead'. During my interrogation of J (some time ago, now I might add) I became extremely interested in what made J say that to the cop, at that time? I wanted to know why J thought the cops had shot dead all his family? His replies (because I always made it my business to go back over things at a moments notice, so as not to allow him time to think up answers) were very interesting...
One of the first things he told me, was because everybody at the farmhouse knew that his family were alive inside the farmhouse from a very early stage. When I asked J what he meant by his reference to 'an early stage', it was then that he talked about the sighting of the person at the first floor level bedroom window. He identified that bedroom window to me as his parents bedroom. So, I asked him to recount to me, how this particular sighting of the so called figure came about. He told me that they had climbed a gate and entered what he described to me in layman's terms to be the garden at the front of the farmhouse. So, I asked him who drew attention to the person, and what was the person doing when they all saw it? He said that it was one of the cops he was with who first noticed a slight movement at the right hand edge of his parents bedroom window. I asked J what did he personally see at that point? He tells me that there was this figure of a person standing to the right hand side of the window as viewed by them. He said this person was just stood there as though observing what they were doing. I asked if he could tell whether the person he was looking at was male or female? J says he couldn't tell, but mentioned that one of the cops referred to this person, as a 'he'. I asked J what did you all do when you realised that you were being watched by somebody up in his parents bedroom window? J said it was a bit unnerving because he couldn't tell whether it was his dad, his mum or Sheila. So, I asked J, well who else could it be? J responds and says, 'he did not know'. So, I said to J, you are all stood in the grounds of the front garden, somebody is at your parents bedroom window looking down at you all. What happened then? J says they crouched down behind a walled flower bed trying to hide themselves but they stood out like sore thumbs. And then he says the person in the bedroom walked from right to left across the opening of the window and disappeared out of sight to the left of the window. It was not a trick of light, I later satisfied myself because I gleaned from J that he and the two cops were crouched static behind the flower bed and the person literraly walked across the window from one side to the other, right to left from his vantage point. I asked him what happened then, and J said the two cops and himself bolted it out of the grounds back to the patrol car parked up in pages lane with Saxby manning it...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #79 on: April 24, 2016, 03:55:PM »
 The only person who stood at the window would have been June,whose blood drips were found there.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #80 on: April 24, 2016, 04:23:PM »
J said there was definitely somebody alive at 'that' point inside his parents bedroom. He accepts that it could have been his mum, his dad, or Sheila. He discounts the possibility that it could have been anybody else because when the cops eventually went in three and a half hours later, they didn't find anybody other than members of his family. J said the reason why he complained to Oliver Saxby that he thought cops had shot and killed his family was chiefly because of the sighting of that person in his parents bedroom and the fact that he had not heard any reports that anyone had heard gunshots whilst he was with police in the grounds or roundabout the farm in their company. J said he had been moved away from the perimeter of the farm and placed inside Saxbys patrol car when the firearm chaps had gone to get into the house, and when news was eventually broken to him that his family had been shot dead, he automatically assumed that there had been a shoot out, and that the reason he hadn't heard any gunshots on this occasion was because cops had moved him out of earshot and harms way by placing inside the patrol car with PS Saxby in Pages Lane, near the farm cottages...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #81 on: April 24, 2016, 06:28:PM »
For over 30 years Bews has been personally responsible for keeping J in Prison convicted of murdering his sister, when he could not possibly have shot and killed her upstairs in the bedroom, when he knows with 100% certainty that Sheilas body was downstairs in the kitchen for at least 33 minutes. Bews is a witness who could if he wanted to, end J's living nightmare by coming out of the woodwork and fessin' up to what I am drawing e eryones attention too...
Mike what do you know of PC Bews?

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #82 on: April 24, 2016, 08:44:PM »
Mike what do you know of PC Bews?
Only that he was granted immunity from prosecution for making up the story about the 'trick of light' sighting of 'the living person' in the Bamber parents bedroom. Also that he was made subject of a 'D Notice' imposed upon him, Myall and Saxby, by Special Branch not to speak publickly regarding the true reason they were deployed to the incident at 3.35am. I have been given this information privately. About a year ago, I was told that Chris' Bews was regarded as a key witness to clear J of the murders, because it was ' he' who was monitoring the radio communication between the raid team as they forced their way into the kitchen and were 'confronted' by Dad, and daughter. Bews relayed the information via police radio to the control room regarding 'two bodies' found upon entry to the kitchen. Bews  knows that J could not possibly have shot and killed his sister upstairs in the bedroom, because he heard the raid team confrontation involving her downstairs in the kitchen, eventually he heard the command, 'one female dead', hence why the message that Bews passed to the control room was ' the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female found upon entry'.  The person who told me this reckons that 'the powers that be' are worried that Bews will crack, and maybe 'spill the beans'. This is because he enjoys being in the public image, whereas Myalls and Saxby were not like that. It is a fact though that Bews knows that Sheila was alive in the kitchen when cops went into the farmhouse. He heard everything that was said by members of the raid team who were using open mike communication during the operation Sheila was alive downstairs at just after 7.30am, then she was pronounced dead twice from 7.37am, onward. Her body being one of the two bodies found downstairs in the kitchen, so J could not have shot and killed her, or staged her death scene in the bedroom upstairs - Chris' Bews is J's 'get out of jail card', because he was there at the scene, he performed liason duties by relaying messages between the raid team inside the farmhouse, to staff in the control room in Chelmsford.  You cannot afford to make 'mistakes' if you are the guy assigned this important role, and he didn't make any mistakes, he simply relayed to the control room what he was monitoring on the open mike system. Also, what you have got to remember is that staff back in the control room were eavesdropping everything that was being said whilst there was any activity going on in and around the kitchen phone with its handset off outs cradle, so all in all, Bews was not relaying anything back to the control room which they were not already aware of, because everything that was being said via the open mike system was being overheard via the telephone intercept that was functioning at that stage of the operation. The bottom line insofar as Bews knowing more than he has ever dared talk about publicly, to date, about Sheila's presence downstairs in the kitchen. If he is put on the spot, and asked outright ' how many bodies were found downstairs when cops entered the kitchen', there is no way out for him other than to ' fess up. He can't use the 'trick of light' explanation over this matter, because they are his words that he relayed from the scene to the control room. The police surgeon was being told there were two bodies found, so too was the Coroners Officer, and DCI's here, there, and everywhere. To top it all, even ACC Simpson was led to believe that 'two bodies' had been found downstairs upon entry, yet by the end of the police operation only one body remained there...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #83 on: April 24, 2016, 08:56:PM »
Only that he was granted immunity from prosecution for making up the story about the 'trick of light' sighting of 'the living person' in the Bamber parents bedroom. Also that he was made subject of a 'D Notice' imposed upon him, Myall and Saxby, by Special Branch not to speak publickly regarding the true reason they were deployed to the incident at 3.35am. I have been given this information privately. About a year ago, I was told that Chris' Bews was regarded as a key witness to clear J of the murders, because it was ' he' who was monitoring the radio communication between the raid team as they forced their way into the kitchen and were 'confronted' by Dad, and daughter. Bews relayed the information via police radio to the control room regarding 'two bodies' found upon entry to the kitchen. Bews  knows that J could not possibly have shot and killed his sister upstairs in the bedroom, because he heard the raid team confrontation involving her downstairs in the kitchen, eventually he heard the command, 'one female dead', hence why the message that Bews passed to the control room was ' the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female found upon entry'.  The person who told me this reckons that 'the powers that be' are worried that Bews will crack, and maybe 'spill the beans'. This is because he enjoys being in the public image, whereas Myalls and Saxby were not like that. It is a fact though that Bews knows that Sheila was alive in the kitchen when cops went into the farmhouse. He heard everything that was said by members of the raid team who were using open mike communication during the operation Sheila was alive downstairs at just after 7.30am, then she was pronounced dead twice from 7.37am, onward. Her body being one of the two bodies found downstairs in the kitchen, so J could not have shot and killed her, or staged her death scene in the bedroom upstairs - Chris' Bews is J's 'get out of jail card', because he was there at the scene, he performed liason duties by relaying messages between the raid team inside the farmhouse, to staff in the control room in Chelmsford.  You cannot afford to make 'mistakes' if you are the guy assigned this important role, and he didn't make any mistakes, he simply relayed to the control room what he was monitoring on the open mike system. Also, what you have got to remember is that staff back in the control room were eavesdropping everything that was being said whilst there was any activity going on in and around the kitchen phone with its handset off outs cradle, so all in all, Bews was not relaying anything back to the control room which they were not already aware of, because everything that was being said via the open mike system was being overheard via the telephone intercept that was functioning at that stage of the operation. The bottom line insofar as Bews knowing more than he has ever dared talk about publicly, to date, about Sheila's presence downstairs in the kitchen. If he is put on the spot, and asked outright ' how many bodies were found downstairs when cops entered the kitchen', there is no way out for him other than to ' fess up. He can't use the 'trick of light' explanation over this matter, because they are his words that he relayed from the scene to the control room. The police surgeon was being told there were two bodies found, so too was the Coroners Officer, and DCI's here, there, and everywhere. To top it all, even ACC Simpson was led to believe that 'two bodies' had been found downstairs upon entry, yet by the end of the police operation only one body remained there...

One body moved, either by its own steam, or it was carried upstairs. The information I have been given was that Sheila made her own way upstairs. By 8.15am, she was no longer downstairs in the kitchen. It took her less than 30 seconds to get from the kitchen downstairs, before she collapsed again onto her parents bed. She had not been moving around continually after she received the first shot downstairs in the kitchen. She was not even armed with a weapon when cop shot her. Since, at that stage the anshuzt rifle was upstairs resting near to the bedroom window...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #84 on: April 24, 2016, 09:00:PM »
One body moved, either by its own steam, or it was carried upstairs. The information I have been given was that Sheila made her own way upstairs. By 8.15am, she was no longer downstairs in the kitchen. It took her less than 30 seconds to get from the kitchen downstairs, before she collapsed again onto her parents bed. She had not been moving around continually after she received the first shot downstairs in the kitchen. She was not even armed with a weapon when cop shot her. Since, at that stage the anshuzt rifle was upstairs resting near to the bedroom window...

You've obviously been misinformed then.  Somebody telling porkies again.  :)

Your 'cop shot her' tale must be the silliest thing ever.
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #85 on: April 24, 2016, 09:13:PM »
You've obviously been misinformed then.  Somebody telling porkies again.  :)

Your 'cop shot her' tale must be the silliest thing ever.
John I don't buy that either, but the trick of the light conspiracy is worth investigating as well as the enormity of the cover up which must have taken place if Jeremy is to be declared innocent.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #86 on: April 25, 2016, 08:13:AM »
Your 'cop shot her' tale must be the silliest thing ever.

Not half as silly, as the 'existence' then, of an officers report, that deals with the shooting of Sheila in the kitchen...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #87 on: April 25, 2016, 08:43:AM »
The evidence is all there in the police file, cops held back from approaching the farmhouse because of Sheila in possession of guns. The 'movement' of a person at the parents bedroom window. It wasn't a 'trick of light' as suggested by Bews , if anything, it was a 'trick of truth'. Added to that was 'movement' of a person' overheard by the operator, a person close to where the phones handset was off its cradle. At the time this occurred nobody outside the farmhouse knew which phone had its handset off the hook, but with the benefit of hindsight we now know that it was in the kitchen. So, by the time the operator checked the telephone line and heard 'this movement' it becomes crystal clear that there was somebody in the kitchen who was ''not dead'.This suggests in the clearest possible terms that at the time the operator made this observation, that either 'dad' or 'the daughter', were 'moving around in the kitchen'. We know that by this time that the anshuzt rifle was 'not resting against the bedroom window' at that stage. So, somebody 'alive inside the farmhouse' must had got control and possession of 'it' at that point. It's no good everybody 'hiding their heads in the sand', like an ostrich, ask yourselves, ' where was the anshuzt rifle at 'all times' prior to someone placing it near the bedroom 'window'? I don't think 'dad' placed it there, I don't think 'mum' placed it there. J 'didn't place it 'there either. Rest assured, that the 'only person' who could have placed that rifle there at that window was 'the daughter'. And, she 'did' place it there in full view, like 'a trophy'. By that stage, the 'others' were 'all dead', but not 'Sheila'...

An 'un-armed' Sheila went downstairs to the kitchen 'contemplating a surrender', but all that changed once the barrel of the cops gun came around the edge of the internal kitchen door...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #88 on: April 25, 2016, 11:14:AM »
Sheila 'did not die', until 9.13am, that morning. How then can J be responsible for 'killing' her?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #89 on: April 25, 2016, 11:16:AM »
Don't forget 'the trophy', which Sheila put 'in clear view', at the bedroom at around '7.15am'..
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