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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #315 on: April 07, 2016, 11:20:AM »
I am not aware I have suggested any such thing.
I just find some people's reactions to David's disclosure surprising but that's just my opinion. Maybe I'm not as involved with the case as some, it's an interesting development although at the moment it hasn't developed very far. I am sure we will hear more information some time in the future.
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My post wasn't aimed at anyone in particular Maggie; it was meant in general terms.

I can't speak for other posters but from my point of view David is helping someone who I believe to be guilty.
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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #316 on: April 07, 2016, 11:22:AM »
What a horrible nasty thread and to think that those who see JB guilty not long ago said that the likes of myself would be hopping mad and still looking towards innocence if/when found guilty again.
 Well the opposite has happened in that because there's a chance of JB's appeal happening,it's those who say guilty are the ones who are kicking off !!  WHY ??

You are getting ahead of yourself Lookout. In order for Bamber to get an appeal, he'll need to have grounds of appeal. This thread suggests there has been a forensic breakthrough. Many of us have dismissed this. What's horrible and nasty about that?
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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #317 on: April 07, 2016, 11:30:AM »
Honesty Hartley I was told by AH not to disclose what I had found for several reasons, Him being the older and wiser and directly involved with the case I took his advice.

I don't have a reputation for being delusional or making false promises, so I am not impressed by your comments Hartley. You could at leased save the criticism till after you have seen what I have.

I think you have missed the point.

I am not criticising your findings, in fact my very first sentence in the post that you quoted states that:

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"... people certainly can't comment on something that they haven't seen, well at least not with any authority"

My belief that your "new" evidence will amount to nothing is based on the numerous claims that have gone before.

I have not labelled you delusional, I have stated that:

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I don't buy the secrecy for the benefit of reducing the CPS's ability to prepare a rebuttal, that sounds somewhat delusional to me

As an attempt to further clarify something which already appears to be quite clear. I am saying that I do not believe that the Crowns ability to respond to allegations would be enhanced or hindered by the release or non-release of your theories. The very idea seems ridiculous to me and I personally find it quite delusional and overly dramatic, to use that as a reason for keeping things on the QT.
Having said that, I have no problem with keeping it to yourself and have previously stated that I think it's "fair enough" to do so.

I have not called you delusional or indeed suggested that you have a reputation for being delusional and making false promises.

I have stated that:

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It also appears to me that David is desperate for recognition and fame, why else boast about something which he has decided not to disclose?

It is just my personal view but there are a number of other members who appear to agree. You do appear to be attention seeking and trying to obtain recognition.

It's not that long ago when you decided that you had single handedly come up with the suggestion that a phone off the hook would disable other handsets on the same line, even claiming that your idea had been stolen and included in a published book. Obviously that wasn't the case at all and came across as if you were craving  to be seen as important.

You also appear to be boasting about your allegedly "new" information, whilst keeping it under wraps, and then complain about being criticised saying that I should "at leased least save the criticism till after you have seen what I have".

As already mentioned, my scepticism regarding your "new" claims comes from the countless utterly baseless claims that have gone before. I have however said that we will have to wait and see.

I am not criticising your claims, but your behaviour, boasting and apparent smugness, which all comes across as a bit cringeworthy and has led to other members using your claims as an opportunity to attack others.

You may have sought advice from Andrew Hunter, citing him as being older and wiser. Whilst he is certainly older, being 73 years old and having survived a major stroke in May 2014. I do however question his wisdom, to use your favourite accusation of being delusional, this is the man who in 2005 stood up in Parliament and preached that:

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First, at 5.25 am, officers in police car call sign Charlie-Alpha 7—the same officers who had met Bamber at White House farm and spent much of the time with him—relayed a message from the tactical firearms team to incident headquarters. The firearms team was in conversation with a person inside the farm. If the police were in conversation with somebody inside the farm at 5.25 am, the case against Bamber collapses. He could not have murdered everybody in the farmhouse before 3 am if at 5.25 am the police were talking to one of his supposed victims. If, on the other hand, the police were in conversation with a third party inside the farmhouse, the judge's ruling that either Jeremy or Sheila and nobody else could have committed the crimes is blatantly wrong.

An apparent cut 'n' paste from the campaign team website of the time? Or maybe the chicken came first, unless it was the egg?  :-\

Also next time you are speaking with him, you can also let him know that I/R stands for 'Information Room'.

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.......records a message from a Detective Inspector "IR"—we know only his initials—which. said:

    "Police entered premises. One male dead, one female dead".


http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7579.0.html

Obviously I don't see his endorsement of your "new" evidence as being particularly impressive.

Whilst you say:

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I am not impressed by your comments Hartley

I say that I am not impressed by your interpretation of my comments, say's I.


On a final note, and again as already mentioned, we will wait and see, but to the disappointment of some I am sure, I won't be holding my breath.  :)


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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #318 on: April 07, 2016, 11:35:AM »
I am sure I never said the words highlighted in blue Hartley.  I agree that I believed that the submissions made by Simon McKay had a good chance of success but the CCRC decided otherwise.  I am generally cautious in my predictions, particularly in this case.

I might have embellished it a little.  ;D

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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #319 on: April 07, 2016, 11:35:AM »
My post wasn't aimed at anyone in particular Maggie; it was meant in general terms.

I can't speak for other posters but from my point of view David is helping someone who I believe to be guilty.
I understand but my argument/opinion is that you or I or anyone else may believe he's guilty but that doesn't make him guilty. In the eyes of the law he is most definitely guilty but In spite of all this imo any evidence which turns up should be considered objectively and either accepted for further investigation or dismissed.

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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #320 on: April 07, 2016, 11:39:AM »
I understand but my argument/opinion is that you or I or anyone else may believe he's guilty but that doesn't make him guilty. In the eyes of the law he is most definitely guilty but In spite of all this imo any evidence which turns up should be considered objectively and either accepted for further investigation or dismissed.

If it doesn't make him guilty what does it make him? I'm confused?

I get that he's had opportunity to appeal but there are numerous cases cited where the guilty have had their convictions over turned. It most certainly doesn't make him innocent. From my point of view I believe he manipulates both people and the criminal justice system.

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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #321 on: April 07, 2016, 11:46:AM »
If it doesn't make him guilty what does it make him? I'm confused?

I get that he's had opportunity to appeal but there are numerous cases cited where the guilty have had their convictions over turned. It most certainly doesn't make him innocent. From my point of view I believe he manipulates both people and the criminal justice system.
I doubt you are confused.I am not saying he's innocent, thought that was clear enough.I agree he may be a manipulator and I don't agree with guilty people going free on a technicality but that is the way the law works at the moment and it shouldn't stop any evidence from being scrutinised imo.
It's a pointless argument anyway,as it's simply supposition at this point, I'm done with it. I agree to disagree with those who disagree with me. :)
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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #322 on: April 07, 2016, 11:53:AM »
I doubt you are confused.I am not saying he's innocent, thought that was clear enough. It's a pointless argument anyway, I'm done with it. I agree to disagree with those who disagree with me. :)

I don't agree that you agree to disagree, in fact I disagree with it.

Do you not agree?   ;D :-[ :-X

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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #323 on: April 07, 2016, 11:57:AM »
I don't agree that you agree to disagree, in fact I disagree with it.

Do you not agree?   ;D :-[ :-X
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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #324 on: April 07, 2016, 02:28:PM »
lol I realised after I posted I'd made an error. Thanks for pointing it out Maggie  ;D ;D
Just seen this, sorry Steph, I wasn't pointing your typo out, we all do them, I was agreeing with your comment that David's breakthrough claim shouldn't stifle debate on JBs guilt or innocence. :-\
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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #325 on: April 07, 2016, 02:49:PM »
What a horrible nasty thread and to think that those who see JB guilty not long ago said that the likes of myself would be hopping mad and still looking towards innocence if/when found guilty again.
 Well the opposite has happened in that because there's a chance of JB's appeal happening,it's those who say guilty are the ones who are kicking off !!  WHY ??
Dont get this, what a nasty horrible thread, who started the thread?

I don't think people are nasty just weary, how many times have we been here before, I really hope David has something but he has to understand we have been lead up the garden path loads of times.  There is no one on here more equipped than Stephanie who knows how the CCRC, campaigners and prisoners work, how ones hopes and beliefs are built up only to be knocked back again. I have someone in prison who I put a lot of trust and belief in only to find out he has lied and lied.  Saying you know something and not telling might have the opposite effect of what was originally intended, where do we go from here, what do we talk about, how can we talk about something we don't know about?

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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #326 on: April 07, 2016, 02:51:PM »
Dont get this, what a nasty horrible thread, who started the thread?

I don't think people are nasty just weary, how many times have we been here before, I really hope David has something but he has to understand we have been lead up the garden path loads of times.  There is no one on here more equipped than Stephanie who knows how the CCRC, campaigners and prisoners work, how ones hopes and beliefs are built up only to be knocked back again. I have someone in prison who I put a lot of trust and belief in only to find out he has lied and lied.  Saying you know something and not telling might have the opposite effect of what was originally intended, where do we go from here, what do we talk about, how can we talk about something we don't know about?
Imo, think all that can be said has been said for now at least, Justice. :-\
As for it being a 'nasty horrible thread' it has been a pain in the butt as far as moderating goes  ;D  apart from that I am not sure..  :'(
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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #327 on: April 07, 2016, 02:56:PM »
Imo, think all that can be said has been said for now at least, Justice. :-\
As for it being a 'nasty horrible thread' it has been a pain in the but as far as moderating goes  ;D  apart from that I am not sure.  :'(

Maggie I agree it is old ground we are gong over all the time. Think it was a good idea for David to tell us about his find it has woken up my brain as to what it could be and it is exciting but I worry that it is not used properly and will vanish into thin air hope he has a good Legal Team to deal with it.

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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #328 on: April 07, 2016, 03:12:PM »
Ha ha hi Susan, Mat has a good sense of humour like me.  Must catch up sometime, have you got half a day spare lol.  Don't like secerets though Susie like David keeps ha ha

I do think David is doing the right thing by not putting the information out there in the public domain, I agree entirely with that, I don't think Andrew Hunter would have been my choice of go-between though, But I bet he regrets putting this topic up stating that he has found something.

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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #329 on: April 07, 2016, 03:15:PM »
More tears  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Maggie must say I do agree don't post for an hour I am off walking hahahahaha