David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim

[JackiePreece]

Are you suggesting this because Neil has talked about smoking cannabis in his youth?

There isn't "so much going on at the moment" this is your over the top interpretation by the sounds of it.

David has found something that he believes could help Bamber; NGB has confirmed he has seen these findings and they have not been used before therefore the findings could be seen to be fresh evidence.

Please supply proof of how you 'know' nothing is going on ?

[JackiePreece]

David is most likely a great bloke.  He may well have uncovered something interesting.

Jackie, you seem perfectly happy and content to believe that convincing new evidence exists, without even knowing what it is!

I absolutely 100% know what some of the new evidence is and have known for sometime

As I have said before there is a LOT going on at the moment which is highly confidential

[Stephanie]

I absolutely 100% know what some of the new evidence is and have known for sometime

As I have said before there is a LOT going on at the moment which is highly confidential

You and 'highly confidential' do not go hand in hand IMO therefore I do not take much notice of your repeated claims.

[JackiePreece]

Please explain how what I did then is any different to what you are doing now?

You are blaming a young mother, who suffered from mental health, of murdering her twin boys and parents and who doesn't have a voice of her own because her brother murdered her.

"I'm not blaming Sheila she was undoubtedly a victim"

Do you have any evidence Jeremy is or was or ever has been a psychopath?  ?
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FACT:  June Bamber suffered severe depression requiring hospitalisation and ECT whilst SC was circa 2 yoa.??FACT:  How a baby/small child bonds ( known as attachment) with his/her primary caregiver has a profound effect on his/her later mental health/emotional well being.??FACT:  There's now much evidence linking  poor attachment with psychopathy.??A Google search of 'attachment and psychopathy' returns 119,000 results."

[JackiePreece]

Please explain how what I did then is any different to what you are doing now?

You are blaming a young mother, who suffered from mental health, of murdering her twin boys and parents and who doesn't have a voice of her own because her brother murdered her.

All the evidence is now available to prove without a doubt Jeremy is not guilty of murder and will soon be a free man

[Stephanie]

"I'm not blaming Sheila she was undoubtedly a victim"

Do you have any evidence Jeremy is or was or ever has been a psychopath?  ?
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FACT:  June Bamber suffered severe depression requiring hospitalisation and ECT whilst SC was circa 2 yoa.??FACT:  How a baby/small child bonds ( known as attachment) with his/her primary caregiver has a profound effect on his/her later mental health/emotional well being.??FACT:  There's now much evidence linking  poor attachment with psychopathy.??A Google search of 'attachment and psychopathy' returns 119,000 results."

Seems you've part answered your own question

[maggie]

The above thread is open again.

Please stick to the subject rather than personal attacks and name calling.  If it continues I shall lock the thread for the rest of the evening.

[Neil]

Why have some of my posts been deleted?

[Stephanie]

"I'm not blaming Sheila she was undoubtedly a victim"

Do you have any evidence Jeremy is or was or ever has been a psychopath?  ?
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FACT:  June Bamber suffered severe depression requiring hospitalisation and ECT whilst SC was circa 2 yoa.??FACT:  How a baby/small child bonds ( known as attachment) with his/her primary caregiver has a profound effect on his/her later mental health/emotional well being.??FACT:  There's now much evidence linking  poor attachment with psychopathy.??A Google search of 'attachment and psychopathy' returns 119,000 results."

Are you suggesting SC was a psychopath?

[Stephanie]

Hi David,

You posted the following in response to a post made by Scipio.

"You have put so much emotional investment in your position on this case you will never consider otherwise or any alternative, never consider, contemplate or accept any doubts errors or mistakes you may have made. Your extensive emotional investment combined with your ego will involuntarily impose mental gymnastics on your cognitive though processes where the you will always come to the same conclusion regardless of what is put infront of you. In your mind your version of events seem rational to you because you have a psychological defence mechanism protecting your fragile ego and self-esteem from contemplating you might be wrong."

Out of interest, have you applied this theory to your recent findings?

[maggie]

Why have some of my posts been deleted?

I have removed some personal posts from this thread and am afrAid some of yours were included Neil.

[David1819]

Hi David,

You posted the following in response to a post made by Scipio.

"You have put so much emotional investment in your position on this case you will never consider otherwise or any alternative, never consider, contemplate or accept any doubts errors or mistakes you may have made. Your extensive emotional investment combined with your ego will involuntarily impose mental gymnastics on your cognitive though processes where the you will always come to the same conclusion regardless of what is put infront of you. In your mind your version of events seem rational to you because you have a psychological defence mechanism protecting your fragile ego and self-esteem from contemplating you might be wrong."

Out of interest, have you applied this theory to your recent findings?

I mentioned yesterday That one of the reasons I decided not go public with the findings is that if it turns out I am wrong I wouldn't want the campaign using it as propaganda. Of course I have considered I could be wrong. NGB can back me up on that one 

[Stephanie]

I mentioned yesterday That one of the reasons I decided not go public with the findings is that if it turns out I am wrong I wouldn't want the campaign using it as propaganda. Of course I have considered I could be wrong. NGB can back me up on that one

Thanks for clarifying David.

NGB posted the following:

"The material sent to me by david1819 is in the form of a report, which includes images and diagrams as well as text.  It is well written and well presented.  It analyses an important part of the evidence in the case, using methods not applied previously.  Although he accepts that he is not an expert in the relevant field, he has researched published works by experts in the field, quoting relevant extracts in support of his conclusions.  He has also studied relevant photographs and made calculations and measurements using techniques which to me seem appropriate.

david1819's conclusions support the defence case on this issue and specifically counter conclusions reached on this by the Court of Appeal in the 2002 appeal.

I am not an expert in the field involved and clearly for this to be presented to the CCRC as part of new submissions david1819's report and conclusions would have to be reviewed and validated by a suitably qualified expert.  However, I can see no reason to doubt the conclusions reached and have given david1819 my view in more detail.

If the report is validated the question is whether it could form the basis for the CCRC to refer the case.  For various reasons, hard to explain without giving more information than I am able to here, I believe it does satisfy the requirement that it is new evidence, not available at trial.  The key question is whether it is on its own sufficient to enable the convictions to be overturned.  I am very cautious about this as I believe the CCRC have now set a very high bar in this case.  Certainly this would form a valid ground of appeal, but ideally it should be joined with other grounds.  I am no longer in the loop as far as Jeremy Bamber's legal team are concerned, and have not been since Simon McKay ceased acting, but I do know of grounds not included in previous submissions which would have been included had the CCRC referred the case to the Court of Appeal on the last application.  I also understand that other work has been undertaken or is contemplated which may lead to additional grounds, but I have very limited knowledge of this."

[Stephanie]

I mentioned yesterday That one of the reasons I decided not go public with the findings is that if it turns out I am wrong I wouldn't want the campaign using it as propaganda. Of course I have considered I could be wrong. NGB can back me up on that one

And to confirm, did you apply the theory you gave about Scipios posts to your own findings?

[David1819]

There is no forensic breakthrough.

David sitting at home on his computer will not uncover anything Bamber's lawyers and expensive experts would not have uncovered in 30 years.

Well as absurd an unbelievable as it sounds that is actually what I have done. However its not so much well done me its more like shame on the authorities for not working it out yet.

NGB can verify this claim