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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #120 on: April 06, 2016, 11:55:AM »
The wrong parker hale silencer (DRB/1) was the subject of the DNA profiling examination connected with the 2002 appeal - it was not coated in the harmful superglue fumes...
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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #121 on: April 06, 2016, 12:01:PM »
I knew full well it would make no impact as so many baseless claims have been made before I don't blame anyone for not thinking much of it until now.

One reason I discussed with NGB was that by him revealing something the board it would somewhat revitalised the forum as all the discussions are stale and repetitive. Everyone now has something new to look forward to and its long overdue.

I know, My Dad knows, NGB knows, Andrew Hunter knows and Jeremy and his legal team probably know by now also.

My first issue was and thought this through carefully. I made this finding almost three weeks ago now. Although at the time I was 90% convinced I made a significant breakthrough and now I have no doubt about it.

At the time my mind was telling me maybe its too good to be true? and by thinking that I then worried that if I did go public and turns out I was wrong the Campaign team would without a doubt use it a propaganda and that I didn't want to happen, that was my initial reason for secrecy.

Then a few days later I was told that going public would harm the legal process because if the Crown got news of it they would have more time to try and prepare for it so the later the better. So that is reason why I have not released anything to date.

We have heard it all before David but full marks for trying.  The circumstantial evidence is extensive in this case and taken as a whole clearly supports the conviction of Jeremy Bamber, I have seen nothing or been made aware of anything over the years which will change that situation.  The sound moderator forensics are not the Holy Grail in this case which some believe them to be, there is a wealth of other information which first of all establishes who the culprits could be and secondly narrow it down to two individuals, namely Jeremy Bamber and Sheila Caffell.  This is established fact beyond all shadow of any doubt.

From this position the way forward is easily determined.  One has to find evidence which links either suspect to the murder scene.  This task is made all the more difficult because both suspects had valid reasons for being in White House farmhouse.

Armed with the forensic evidence gathered from the farmhouse it is a relatively simple task to work out what happened, who was shot first, where the fight took place etc etc...  the MEANS.   One then has to look to the two suspects, their physical attributes, their state of mind etc...   It soon becomes clear that there is no tangible evidence that Jeremy Bamber carried out the killings.  Certainly he knew how to get to the farm without attracting attention, he knew how to get into and out of the farmhouse even when it appeared locked and secure.  His presence would not have disturbed the farm dog or set it off barking. He had no alibi for the night of the murders, he thus has OPPORTUNITY.

One then has to look to Jeremy's adoptive sister Sheila for answers.  The scene which confronted the police when they entered the master bedroom suggested that Sheila had committed suicide by shooting herself twice in the neck.  Indeed, they went with this scenario initially before further evidence came to their attention.  If Sheila had fired off 25 rounds, reloaded the rifle and had a scuffle with her adoptive father Nevill Bamber in the kitchen, there would have been forensic evidence in abundance in the form of fingerprints, gunshot residues, blood and blood spatter.  The evidence however tells a very different story.

Sheila Caffell had none of the forensic indicators either on her or on her clothing associated with the events which we know took place, you could say she was forensically clean.  There is no possible way Sheila could have committed those dreadful murders and come out of it as cousin David Boutflour succinctly put it, "Without a single hair out of place".

One then has to look to other evidence in order to build up a case, Julie Mugford eventually came forward and filled in the missing pieces of the puzzle, the MOTIVE was easily established.

Do let me know if I have missed anything?

 
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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #122 on: April 06, 2016, 12:02:PM »
The parker hale silencer (DB/1) which was exposed to the harmful superglue treatment at Sandridge on the 15th August 1985, was eventually handed back to David Boutflour, after the trial...
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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #123 on: April 06, 2016, 12:03:PM »
Jeremy does NOT wish for a technicality--------which this latest revelation WON'T be. ISN'T !

I like the new approach.

New evidence is allegedly going to clear Bamber's name according to supporters. But no one knows what this evidence is supposed to be. It's a big secret.

And no one will ever know, unless Bamber gets and wins a CCRC hearing. The COA will then publish their report, as it did in 2002.
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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #124 on: April 06, 2016, 12:11:PM »
Bent cops only introduce false evidence which  they know will prove beneficial in helping the prosecution secure a conviction. Introduction of the second uncontaminated Parker hale silencer (DRB/1) so as it to be presented as the carrier of the uncontaminated flake, is proof that cops, relatives, and dodgy lab' experts framed Bamber as the killer..
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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #125 on: April 06, 2016, 12:14:PM »
I like the new approach.

New evidence is allegedly going to clear Bamber's name according to supporters. But no one knows what this evidence is supposed to be. It's a big secret.

And no one will ever know, unless Bamber gets and wins a CCRC hearing. The COA will then publish their report, as it did in 2002.

In all honesty I don't always read David's posts but with regards to those of his posts I have read and if memory serves me correctly, his belief in innocence or guilt hasn't been clear - nor indeed has he been a 'fence sitter.'

Maybe David will clarify his position?

Also IMO, some of David's posts suggests his ego is at play as opposed to total objectivity. Which leaves me to believe his findings could be technicality based. Of course I could be wrong and if I am I will hold my hands up. But I'm not convinced David has looked at the bigger picture. Just my thoughts...

Further, it's been suggested my judgement in the past has been wrong re the SH case. I do not disagree with this claim. However, this claim should also then apply to Kier Starmer QC, Dr Michael Naughton, David Jessel & other members of the CCRC, Private Eye, Michael Mansfield QC, Campbell Malone, the Rough Justice crew - to name but a few....


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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #126 on: April 06, 2016, 12:27:PM »
They have confirmation that the photograph exists, and that the negatives which were cut from the photographic strip, was retained by ACC Simpson in his office safe. The COLP investigators recovered these during their investigation, and they made written representations about the fact that Simpson should not have withheld them from the defence lawyers...

Thank you Mike. Jeremy will be pleased when he can provide photograpic proof Sheila died on the bed.

Why did the police move Sheila to the floor before taking pictures ?
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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #127 on: April 06, 2016, 12:30:PM »
Bent cops only introduce false evidence which  they know will prove beneficial in helping the prosecution secure a conviction. Introduction of the second uncontaminated Parker hale silencer (DRB/1) so as it to be presented as the carrier of the uncontaminated flake, is proof that cops, relatives, and dodgy lab' experts framed Bamber as the killer..

All anyone needs to do, is refer to all the related police and lab' records, as per key exhibits, SBJ/1, DB/1 and DRB/1, photographs, and a calender...

You will all be able to judge for yourselves, the date when the second uncontaminated silencer (DRB/1) came into play, and why it did...
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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #128 on: April 06, 2016, 12:35:PM »
Thank you Mike. Jeremy will be pleased when he can provide photograpic proof Sheila died on the bed.

Why did the police move Sheila to the floor before taking pictures ?

To search the bed, looking for a weapon. The anshuzt rifle was not on the bed, it was leaning up against the wall by the side of the bedroom window...
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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #129 on: April 06, 2016, 12:46:PM »
Bent cops only introduce false evidence which  they know will prove beneficial in helping the prosecution secure a conviction. Introduction of the second uncontaminated Parker hale silencer (DRB/1) so as it to be presented as the carrier of the uncontaminated flake, is proof that cops, relatives, and dodgy lab' experts framed Bamber as the killer..

The police have better things to do than go around framing criminals.  The White House Farm murders case is no different.

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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #130 on: April 06, 2016, 12:46:PM »
The court of appeal will be hard pushed not to quash these convictions considering that the silencer (DRB/1), blood and paint evidence has finally been debunked, and put to bed. The court which tried Jeremy for these murders were well and truly taken for a ride, by the introduction of this evidence, what with all the significance that the prosecution placed upon it, and around it. 'Ron' Cook, DS Davidson, DS Eastwood, DC 769 OAKEY, and Fletcher, Hayward and Howard, have all got some very serious questions to answer. Nobody can ignore the serious nature regarding what has been done, or how it has been done. Noble cause corruption is one thing, but to deliberately fake blood group evidence inside a silencer (DRB/1) that didn't even get to the lab' until eight days after the flake was already supposed to have been found inside it, is taking it too far by half.

Funny how Julie Mugford never mentioned anything about use of a silencer, in the shootings...
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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #131 on: April 06, 2016, 12:47:PM »
All anyone needs to do, is refer to all the related police and lab' records, as per key exhibits, SBJ/1, DB/1 and DRB/1, photographs, and a calender...

You will all be able to judge for yourselves, the date when the second uncontaminated silencer (DRB/1) came into play, and why it did...

The sound moderator labelling was a shambles but beyond that, no conspiracy.
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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #132 on: April 06, 2016, 12:49:PM »
The court of appeal will be hard pushed not to quash these convictions considering that the silencer (DRB/1), blood and paint evidence has finally been debunked, and put to bed. The court which tried Jeremy for these murders were well and truly taken for a ride, by the introduction of this evidence, what with all the significance that the prosecution placed upon it, and around it. 'Ron' Cook, DS Davidson, DS Eastwood, DC 769 OAKEY, and Fletcher, Hayward and Howard, have all got some very serious questions to answer. Nobody can ignore the serious nature regarding what has been done, or how it has been done. Noble cause corruption is one thing, but to deliberately fake blood group evidence inside a silencer (DRB/1) that didn't even get to the lab' until eight days after the flake was already supposed to have been found inside it, is taking it too far by half.

Funny how Julie Mugford never mentioned anything about use of a silencer, in the shootings...

You are only speculating on what you think occurred as it fits your own agenda,

It won't even get a referral by the CCRC.  You must think they're stupid!
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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #133 on: April 06, 2016, 12:51:PM »
All anyone needs to do, is refer to all the related police and lab' records, as per key exhibits, SBJ/1, DB/1 and DRB/1, photographs, and a calender...

You will all be able to judge for yourselves, the date when the second uncontaminated silencer (DRB/1) came into play, and why it did...

There were numerous errors and inconsistencies through out the SH case documents also.. This doesn't prove innocence...
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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #134 on: April 06, 2016, 12:57:PM »
The sound moderator labelling was a shambles but beyond that, no conspiracy.

Shambolic, would be an understatement, if it were merely a collection of mistaken labels, but this goes much deeper, cops have succeeded for nigh on 30 years in hiding the use of the second uncontaminated silencer (DRB/1), by relying on the smokescreen involving all these different exhibit references, and lab' item Reference numbers. But the big mistake they overlooked, was the dates when a silencer were submitted to the lab' and not only when this occurred, but also the reason why they got sent to the lab'. DRB/1 was submitted and arrived at the lab' completely out of sequence, as compared to the date of the alleged recovery of the flake of blood, and the results of blood group activity which matched Sheila's all having been analysed and verified to have occurred before DRB/1 was even sent and received at the lab'...
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