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« Reply #90 on: June 24, 2016, 03:50:PM »
Shocking indictment of a first world rich country.

and I fear it could get worse following today's headline news...
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« Reply #91 on: June 24, 2016, 04:03:PM »
and I fear it could get worse following today's headline news...
Little doubt about that. :-\

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« Reply #92 on: June 24, 2016, 04:04:PM »
This link may be of interest http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/108/2/e30.short

According to SH he started misusing drugs at the age of 10 and he had scars from self mutilation on both his wrists (aged 17). Of course both these behaviours are a form of self harm/abuse. According to research, a males brain is not fully developed until the age of around 24.
Tragedy  :)

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« Reply #93 on: June 25, 2016, 09:30:AM »
The first two years of a child's life is the most important of all.  He had no permanent primary carer until he was almost three.  So much emotional damage would have been done by then that with the best intentions in the world it would be almost impossible to heal such a child, especially if that child had also been abused in those first two years.  People who have such appalling starts in life are victims themselves with no conception of how to form relationships no matter how much they may want to.

Further excerpts from SH's letters before he died...

"It's going to take a long time to get to where I want to be but I'm determined to get there and I know that I will. I am researching and thinking about my past and I've got an understanding psychology book and a book called "they f**k you up" - How to survive family life by Oliver James. I'm reading them both at the same time and cross referencing different bits. It's slow going and there's a lot to take in but I'm understanding things a bit clearer.

"I panic because of shame and because the truth is destroying me. Living in denial gave me no reason to panic and if you remember, I only started to panic like that when I was being found out lying. I panic through fear of judgement and rejection.

"Am I like my biological father? He put himself before the children that he had.

"I am worried about genetics. All of the Walton kids are damaged. I believe that both nature and nurture f**ked me up, I do hate L****, I do hate S****, but I hate myself more. If they were in this cell, I'd punch their lights out. That's true, but I'd want to hurt myself too.

I don't think it's genetics. I remember my conscience as a kid, before S**** got hold of me. I think nurture is so important from both to adulthood. If I'd been in loving households, I'd be different.

"You gave me strength and the stability that I've never had before.
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« Reply #94 on: June 25, 2016, 10:01:AM »
Excerpt from letter dated 5th October 2013:

"I didn't want anyone to find out that I killed Joan Albert. When I was arrested, I denied it because I didn't want anyone to know what I had done..

"In the months between December and July, I was so afraid but I put on this act that I was okay and just living my life as normal. But I wasn't okay. I was still doing similar things to what I was doing before the murder, but I was trying to live better. It didn't work though because I didn't really try to change. I spent more time doing what I wanted to do, constantly fearing that knock on the door. I told myself that I would commit suicide if I went to prison, and created this ideology that allowed me to carry on doing the same things. In this idealised state, I became more selfish, but at the same time my self loathing got worse, so I sought more escape, more alcohol, more drugs, more sex. Any gratification I could get...

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« Reply #95 on: June 25, 2016, 10:18:AM »
All those people who attempted to suggest SH was innocent after he confessed because they could not face the fact they had been "fooled," "taken in," "were wrong" etc or had their own personal agendas all helped feed into an already extremely difficult situation which had many facets to it.... And devastating consequences...

Of course the public had a right to know why SH had publicly maintained innocence for over 11 years then appeared to suddenly confess. But there were certain individuals going out of their way in an attempt to cover their own backsides, for reasons known only to them. And many people didn't want to hear the truth - for them it was easier to live in a state of denial or shift the blame.. (Rather than some self reflection and look at their own faults, flaws and mistakes).

These individuals did not think of Joan Albert's memory nor of her surviving relatives, nor did they think of the impact on SH. Yet even after his death they attempted to suggest the confession was false or that it had been coerced.




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« Reply #96 on: June 25, 2016, 10:34:AM »
All those people who attempted to suggest SH was innocent after he confessed because they could not face the fact they had been "fooled," "taken in," "were wrong" etc or had their own personal agendas all helped feed into an already extremely difficult situation which had many facets to it....

Of course the public had a right to know why SH had publicly maintained innocence for over 11 years then appeared to suddenly confess. But there were certain individuals going out of their way in an attempt to cover their own backsides, for reasons known only to them. And many people didn't want to hear the truth - for them it was easier to live in a state of denial or shift the blame.. (Rather than look at their own faults, flaws and mistakes).

These individuals did not think of Joan Albert's memory nor of her surviving relatives, nor did they think of the impact on SH. Yet even after his death they attempted to suggest the confession was false or that it had been coerced.

In my firm opinion the statements made in this article http://www.hhs.csus.edu/sw/document/syllabus/fall%202008/sw224reader_gagerman.pdf were "lies" and were not made out of shock, love, concern or respect (for anyone); they were made for purely selfish reasons.

The fact is nothing needed to have been said and she had a choice to make 'no comment.'
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« Reply #97 on: June 25, 2016, 10:37:AM »
From 2007:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6542885.stm

This is disputed by Hall's family, who say he never wore such trousers and was wearing blue ones on the night of the murder."

The Hall family have been extremely vocal (publicly & behind the scenes) at various times both in the decade or so before the confession and following. On that basis I would like to ask them why they lied about the colour of the trousers or were they mistaken by the colour of the trousers?

As I've posted before. SH was not wearing blue jeans, by his own admission he was wearing black mole skin type trousers purchased on 15th Dec 2001 - which he returned home in on, on the morning of the 16th Dec and dumped them in the bottom of the wardrobe and disposed them within a couple of days later.. (Along with the other clothes worn)

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« Reply #98 on: June 25, 2016, 12:05:PM »
Excerpt from SH letter dated 11th January 2014:

"I've always admired people who can just be themselves, not worrying about what other people thought, or if people didn't like them. My skin has always been so thin and I think my upbringing and my childhood experiences have played a part in that. I'm going off subject a bit, but what I'm trying to say is that I hated who I was and what I was doing. When I talk about comparing myself to others, I'd look at them and think okay so he's a bit of an idiot but at least he's comfortable in his own skin and knows who and what he is. Those sorts of thoughts. I'd see others as 'real men' and I've never seen myself that way.
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« Reply #99 on: June 25, 2016, 12:50:PM »
The first two years of a child's life is the most important of all.  He had no permanent primary carer until he was almost three.  So much emotional damage would have been done by then that with the best intentions in the world it would be almost impossible to heal such a child, especially if that child had also been abused in those first two years.  People who have such appalling starts in life are victims themselves with no conception of how to form relationships no matter how much they may want to.
I don't know how the bang on the head affected Jeremy and the other incident with a tin tray and another kid pulling him along the kitchen floor by his socks. No emotional reassurance after such a knock I would have thought. I was also wondering how women felt about the fourfold increase in juvenile violence since 1975 as alluded to in Levy and Orlans and whether there was any correlation between this and far more women in the workplace these past forty years and therefore more absent from the home.

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« Reply #100 on: June 25, 2016, 01:04:PM »
I don't know how the bang on the head affected Jeremy and the other incident with a tin tray and another kid pulling him along the kitchen floor by his socks. No emotional reassurance after such a knock I would have thought. I was also wondering how women felt about the fourfold increase in juvenile violence since 1975 as alluded to in Levy and Orlans and whether there was any correlation between this and far more women in the workplace these past forty years and therefore more absent from the home.

Steve I'm of the opinion not many people think like you or I therefore I think it's unlikely the public in general would even consider or take the time (find the time ;)) to understand a possible correlation between the two (I most certainly didn't re the SH case). I know there are members of the forum who do indeed think outside the box but similarly many appear to not IMO.

There are numerous factors to consider in cases like Bambers but I remain firm he is a primary psychopath.
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« Reply #101 on: June 25, 2016, 01:39:PM »
Excerpts from another of SH's letter dated 28th January 2014 have been published here:

https://therealmrshspoofblog.wordpress.com/2016/06/21/simon-hall-letters/
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« Reply #102 on: June 25, 2016, 05:21:PM »
https://therealmrshspoofblog.wordpress.com/2016/03/26/the-power-of-secrets/

"Secrets are kept or opened for many complex motives, from self-serving abuses of power to altruistic protection of others. Understanding the best ways and situations in which to reveal a family secret can help you decide when and how to do so.

HOW SECRETS SABOTAGE

Although we encounter secrets in every area of life, they are perhaps most destructive when kept in the home. Families are support systems; our identity and ability to form close relationships with others depend upon the trust and communication we feel with loved ones. If family members keep secrets from each other--or from the outside world--the emotional fallout can last a lifetime.

There are four main ways that family secrets shape and scar us:

* they can divide family members, permanently estranging them;

* they can discourage individuals from sharing information with anyone outside the family, inhibiting formation of intimate relationships;

* they can freeze development at crucial points in life, preventing the growth of self and identity;

* they can lead to painful miscommunication within a family, causing unnecessary guilt and doubt.
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« Reply #103 on: June 25, 2016, 05:23:PM »
https://therealmrshspoofblog.wordpress.com/2016/03/26/motivations-for-secrecy-in-families/

"Shame is a powerful motive for keeping secrets.

Some of the categories of things about which people feel shame:

A) Divorce: When I was a child divorce was rare compared with today. For most people it was embarrassing to admit to divorce. It was not unusual to attempt to hide a divorce from the community. My parents were divorced when I was 3 years old. When I became school age, I was instructed by my family to say that my father had died if asked by the teacher.

B) Mental Illness: Even today, when the public knows more than ever about mental illness, many families continue to maintain a shroud of secrecy around a relative who suffers from one of the psychoses, such as schizophrenia. Years ago these feelings of shame were so powerful that schizophrenic family members were permanently locked away in mental institutions where they were never seen or heard from. Other families locked their mentally ill relative in a room and maintained isolation and secrecy about this person.

C) Rape: I have a number of female patients who were raped either during their early adolescence, late adolescence or adulthood, and who kept the crime a complete secret. These survivors of violent rape attacks blamed themselves for the rape and continued to feel guilty well into late adulthood.

D) Women: Sexual issues and various types of sexually transmitted diseases are sources of extreme shame and embarrassment for women because they fear that they will be judged as promiscuous if they admit to a boyfriend that they have an STD. In this case, I am referring to the less deadly types of STD's such as Chlamydia and herpes, rather than the more serious diseases such as HIV, which has this as well as other issues surrounding it. I have seen many cases in which a woman is reluctant to begin a relationship because she fears rejection if she admits to having an STD.

E) Adoption: Even today, some families treat adoption as something to be ashamed of. Perhaps this has to do with the fear that they will be judged by others for not being able to have their own children. In addition, there are those parents who fear that if their children learn that they are adopted, they will want to find their biological parents and turn away from their adopted ones. As a result, there are those unfortunate families who keep the adoption a secret from their children.

F) Alcoholism or Drug Addiction: Some attempt to hide their drug addiction for fear of losing their jobs and others fear the loss of their loved ones if they admit to their addiction. The fear of judgment is a powerful motivator for secrecy because people find it difficult to admit, even to themselves, that they have an addiction. Yet, the possibility of recovery dictates that the addict recognize the addiction and find help.

G) Job Loss: In our highly competitive society in which success is measured by the amount of money that you make, being laid off, downsized or fired from a job is experienced as extremely painful and leads to feelings of depression for many people. Men feel most stigmatized by losing their jobs because so much of their self worth is measured by their ability to earn a living for their families. There are actually cases in which a father has lied to his children about his work status, pretending to the child that he still has his old job. In one case, the particular father went to work driving a taxi cab, changed his clothes at the garage to fit that of a driver and tried to make a living in this way so that his children and neighbors would not know the truth.

H) Extramarital Affairs: In example number 6 above, the woman lived a double life. The lover knew of the husband and wanted her to leave the marriage and be with him. She didn't want to leave her husband because she did not believe the lover could maintain a serious relationship leading to marriage. In addition, she feared condemnation from everyone and maintained strict secrecy around everything she was doing. She admitted that the entire secret could be discovered by her husband one day but, in fact, she was in denial about this possibility. She was constantly plagued by feelings of guilt, yet, could not stop the affair or leave the marriage.

I) Homosexuality: When I was a young man, studying for my PhD, the head of my dissertation committee admitted to all of us, students and faculty alike, that he had left his marriage of 25 years and his adult daughters, in order to live in a homosexual relationship with his lover. He had kept his real sexual identity hidden from his wife, children, colleagues, and friends, out of feelings of shame and the fear of rejection. It was the era of increased sexual tolerance and greater public awareness that allowed him to "come out of the closet." At first shocked, his daughters later came to accept him and his wife had always suspected something was not quite right.

J) Gambling: Tragically, in case number 7 above, the wife did not learn the full extent of the dire financial situation for herself and the children until after her husband suddenly died of a heart attack. Learning the reality of the situation was disastrous for her and led to a complete life style change due to the seriousness of the debt.

This is not a complete list of all the reasons why families keep secrets. Criminal behavior, violations of the incest taboo, and suicide are additional examples of the many other factors leading to lies and secrets.
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« Reply #104 on: June 25, 2016, 05:29:PM »
"Why do abusive people lie, spread rumors, and make up malicious gossip? To shame and effectively isolate targets, that’s why. Narcissistic people are the ultimate social and emotional predators. Truly functional — rather than dysfunctional — they are vicious predators whose only intention is to win at all cost, competing in their own mind financially, physically, socially, and emotionally with every single person they project is competing actively or with intent in this life.

"Narcissistic people will even go so far as to make up rumors and stories about the condition of their mate or target’s mental health in order to undermine their credibility should they ever try to break the silence as a victim. Totally self-centered, they interrupt the natural process of grief after a victim has already been traumatized, demanding attention while heaping on trauma by the pile.

https://therealmrshspoofblog.wordpress.com/2016/03/28/flying-monkeys-denied/

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