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[maggie]

I think you'll find that there are laws against tearing down Grade "listeds". WHF was the property of a charity who might have had views about it's destruction.

Thinking about it, I probably wouldn't have wanted to move into it immediately, but Ann didn't which MIGHT suggest that some thought was put into it.

I believe it would be wrong to demolish such an historic building as WHF, it would seem like a final act of violence to me.
At the same time I can sympathise with the lack of understanding many have for the behaviour of AE and family which apart from any other reason does seem to suggest the family had coveted the house for themselves.
For all that I think we have to accept that we are all different and we all grieve in our own ways, what is comforting for some is 'creepy' for others and until we have walked in someone else's shoes we can't really judge.

[guest2181]

I believe it would be wrong to demolish such an historic building as WHF, it would seem like a final act of violence to me.
At the same time I can sympathise with the lack of understanding many have for the behaviour of AE and family which apart from any other reason does seem to suggest the family had coveted the house for themselves.
For all that I think we have to accept that we are all different and we all grieve in our own ways, what is comforting for some is 'creepy' for others and until we have walked in someone else's shoes we can't really judge.

I started writing a response to the above posts (not specifically Maggies post), but then thought the following post already explains it pretty well:

Especially as one interested party were a B&B / hotel company specialising in 'murder mystery weekends'. Maybe you can put yourself in that situation and try to understand why they retained the tenancy.

Ann is quite clear though in saying that her overriding emotion to WHF was that June and Nevill loved the place and she wanted to keep it going for them. I don't know if I could have done the same and moved in, but it's very clear talking to Ann how many mixed emotions were involved, even now looking back at their decision.

Anyone who says that Ann is unmoved by the events of 1985 is talking out of their arse.

[Caroline]

I started writing a response to the above posts (not specifically Maggies post), but then thought the following post already explains it pretty well:

Part of the obsession with Ann moving into WHF seems to be the insinuation that she couldn't wait to get her hands on the house. The house was (and still is I assume) a tenancy and I believe it was a number of YEARS before Ann and the family actually moved there. 

[guest2181]

Part of the obsession with Ann moving into WHF seems to be the insinuation that she couldn't wait to get her hands on the house. The house was (and still is I assume) a tenancy and I believe it was a number of YEARS before Ann and the family actually moved there.

That is correct.

In any event, it doesn't make a lot of difference whether they are renting this house or another one, there is/was no financial advantage to specifically take up tenancy on THIS property, over another.

So anybody who claims that the Eatons had an agenda to become tenants of WHF is talking rubbish, it doesn't even make any sense.

[maggie]

Part of the obsession with Ann moving into WHF seems to be the insinuation that she couldn't wait to get her hands on the house. The house was (and still is I assume) a tenancy and I believe it was a number of YEARS before Ann and the family actually moved there.

I know that's true Hartley and vidvic. 

I was just really trying to say that we shouldn't judge anyone in that situation as we have no idea what their reasons are, however in this kind of situation people tend to use anything to prove a point.

Personally, I don't agree with that, we shouldn't judge when we don't know the true circumstances but we often do because it's human nature.

[Caroline]

I know that's true Hartley and vidvic. 

I was just really trying to say that we shouldn't judge anyone in that situation as we have no idea what their reasons are, however in this kind of situation people tend to use anything to prove a point.

Personally, I don't agree with that, we shouldn't judge when we don't know the true circumstances but we often do because it's human nature.

Perhaps they moved in IN SPITE of Jeremy, to show him that what he did wasn't going to destroy all the hard work Nevill and June had done and making sure that their HOME, stayed in the family.

[guest2181]

Perhaps they moved in IN SPITE of Jeremy, to show him that what he did wasn't going to destroy all the hard work Nevill and June had done and making sure that their HOME, stayed in the family.

Jeremy was told that he would not be suitable to take on the tenancy of WHF by the owners (HSC) before he was arrested for the murders in September 1985, he still however chose to make a vexatious application for tenancy of WHF from his prison cell after he was convicted and sentenced.

[guest2181]

I was just really trying to say that we shouldn't judge anyone in that situation as we have no idea what their reasons are, however in this kind of situation people tend to try to use anything to prove a point.

I think you have just hit the nail on the head.

I actually believe that David was attempting to be inflammatory with his posts regarding the Eatons taking up the tenancy of WHF.

[Jane]

I think you have just hit the nail on the head.

I actually believe that David was attempting to be inflammatory with his posts regarding the Eatons taking up the tenancy of WHF.

He certainly seems to have a bee in his bonnet about it. It felt as if negative comments were being invited.

[guest154]

Not a new point though, it's been used a lot in the past. I do think it is used as an attack on the remaining relatives.

[JackiePreece]

I think you have just hit the nail on the head.

I actually believe that David was attempting to be inflammatory with his posts regarding the Eatons taking up the tenancy of WHF.

Never mind David1819 what about David Boutflour?  ?
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I quote from the Sunday Times "Ann Eaton moved into the farm not long after the murders and still lives there with her family.  Bamber told me he thought she was a "sick puppy" for doing that.  Eaton would not talk to me for this article - indeed, after I wrote her a polite letter I received a "warning" call from Essex police detective superintendent asking me to leave her alone, which I did - but David Boutflour was generous and spoke to me at length.  It is clear he doesn't understand his sister's actions either.  How could she?  Boutflour told me he knew Ann's children had suffered nightmares.  As well you might.  Bamber said she was "as cold as ice".

[David1819]

Part of the obsession with Ann moving into WHF seems to be the insinuation that she couldn't wait to get her hands on the house. The house was (and still is I assume) a tenancy and I believe it was a number of YEARS before Ann and the family actually moved there.

Whether she wanted or liked the house or not is not really what bugs me. Put it this way if I really liked a friends or relatives house but then they got slaughtered in that house, it would put me right off it.

Homes where brutal murders have took place drop in value as people don't want to live in them

http://www.domain.com.au/news/how-australias-murder-houses-perform-on-the-market-20150325-1m71ra/

http://www.news.com.au/national/houses-of-horror-8212-can-a-murder-house-absorb-evil/story-fncynjr2-1226696260133

[Caroline]

Whether she wanted or liked the house or not is not really what bugs me. Put it this way if I really liked a friends or relatives house but then they got slaughtered in that house, it would put me right off it.

Homes where brutal murders have took place drop in value as people don't want to live in them

http://www.domain.com.au/news/how-australias-murder-houses-perform-on-the-market-20150325-1m71ra/

http://www.news.com.au/national/houses-of-horror-8212-can-a-murder-house-absorb-evil/story-fncynjr2-1226696260133

But you're not living there so don't worry about it.

[Caroline]

Never mind David1819 what about David Boutflour?  ?
?
I quote from the Sunday Times "Ann Eaton moved into the farm not long after the murders and still lives there with her family.  Bamber told me he thought she was a "sick puppy" for doing that.  Eaton would not talk to me for this article - indeed, after I wrote her a polite letter I received a "warning" call from Essex police detective superintendent asking me to leave her alone, which I did - but David Boutflour was generous and spoke to me at length.  It is clear he doesn't understand his sister's actions either.  How could she?  Boutflour told me he knew Ann's children had suffered nightmares.  As well you might.  Bamber said she was "as cold as ice".

What about him? Ann hasn't killed anyone and whether you understand her moving in there or not, it has no bearing on Jeremy being guilty or not. It's side stepping and blaming the victims.

[David1819]

But you're not living there so don't worry about it.

But I am living there, I am secretly camping under a pile of boxes in the loft of WHF! 

I never though my obsession with the case would lead to such drastic measures but there you go