Latest Vlog _ Jeremy's Polygraph Test_2

[Caroline]

I didnt mention the annaul assessments caroline, I mentioned the 27 tests that he has had according to his website etc that make it sound as though they are all pd or physco tests.

From the OS

Professor Vincent Egan, BSc. (Hons).,Ph.D., D. Clin. Psy. Chartered Clinical Psychologist, Chartered Forensic Psychologist, Senior Lecturer in Forensic Psychology, University of Leicester, recently carried out a psychological assessment of Jeremy Bamber for a category A risk assessment review and he stated in his 14 page report: (test NOT for psychopathy! But is the annual test ALL prisoners have for risk assessment - Jeremy is STILL a CAT A and considered hight risk - this guy obviously didn't find him to be a pussy cat)

 “Jeremy has been previously assessed using the PCL-R and found non-psychopathic. My own assessment also found he did not meet caseness for clinical psychopathy, or even mild psychopathy.” He goes on to state “He did not meet caseness for any of the personality disorder dimensions.”  BUT Egan didn't use the PCL-R test, and doesn't state what he did use

[Stephanie]

Notsure, at the time he spoke of 27 tests he'd been in prison 27 years. I think it was reasonable to assume that these these tests were routine. Why on earth would they do yearly tests for psychopathy? Why would they be that interested? Psychopathy isn't something which develops over night. If he wasn't a psychopath in one year, there's no earthly reason why he'll have become one the following year. Of course, I can quite see WHY "they" wants to suggest that he's been tested for psychopathy and passed with flying colours. If there's the remotest chance of release, it certainly won't help if he's found to be a psychopath.

As you have pointed out and has been pointed out numerous times, Bamber does not have annual psychopathy tests. It is misleading to suggest otherwise.

If Trudi reads this forum or someone reads this forum in order to pass on messages.. Trudi you need a copy of Bambers last annual report at the very least, if you are unable to get copies of each years reports.

If Bamber makes excuses for not allowing you access to this report, this should raise alarm bells.

You also need a copy of his pre trial report. The prison uses this report, along with yearly reports from prison staff, like say for example, Bambers personal officer in order to put together the yearly reports.

[Caroline]

To make things even MORE confusing this page seems to have been rewritten http://jeremybamber.org/psychological-reports/ ? The link to Professor Vincent Egan takes you to someone called Daniel Attenborough 

[lookout]

I wish Egan would make up his mind :---as quoted :

"Dangerous violent persons tend to be angry,alienated,impulsive and out of control,and none of these qualities appear to reflect Mr Bamber. Quite what the motive would be for something like the index offence carried out by Mr Bamber again is very speculative,as is the proposition in the first place. unquote"

A BIDR  was completed to show if any exaggeration had been displayed and the measurements of the said test showed low to normal range for impression and self-deception enhancement.The results suggesting that he wasn't presenting himself in an excessively anodyne way as to  bias the assessor.

[guest154]

Yes, they are the SAME thing! I am WELL AWARE what the OS makes them SOUND like.

How many times will Notsure be told this.  Maybe they just don't believe it, it's been pointed out to Notsure twice now and that is what I recall.

27 tests wouldn't make sense if it was testing for psychopathy... Testing him for it yearly. 

Alot of people that actually know how prisons work have state numerous times that these are general assessments done to all prisoners, yearly.

It should be put to bed and made more clear on the OS.

[Jane]

How many times will Notsure be told this.  Maybe they just don't believe it, it's been pointed out to Notsure twice now and that is what I recall.

27 tests wouldn't make sense if it was testing for psychopathy... Testing him for it yearly. 

Alot of people that actually know how prisons work have state numerous times that these are general assessments done to all prisoners, yearly.

It should be put to bed and made more clear on the OS.

Trouble is, Mat, there's us saying one thing and the OS saying what many here want to hear...............if you hear what I mean

[Steve_uk]

Ah ok. I don't consider this theory very plausible. Nor do I believe it would be a problem if the phone was upstairs plugged it. Because if investigators did ask Jeremy's answer would be "I don't know I was not there"
Or he could have left the upstairs phone off the hook and say he got a call from June instead of Neville that option would be available to him without moving the phones.

If June was supposed to have made a telephone call from the bedroom Bamber would have had to replace that phone from the kitchen. I wonder what his original plan was.

[lookout]

Egan went on to say of Jeremy's state of mind,quote " Non-Psychopathic. He did not meet the caseness for clinical psychopathy or even mild psychopathy.He did not meet caseness for any of the personality disorder dimensions----unquote "

[Caroline]

Egan went on to say of Jeremy's state of mind,quote " Non-Psychopathic. He did not meet the caseness for clinical psychopathy or even mild psychopathy.He did not meet caseness for any of the personality disorder dimensions----unquote "

And yet he doesn't say that test he did - can't have been the PCL-R because he mentions that was used PREVIOUSLY. The official site needs to clarify because they are quoting him yet what they have posted doesn't make any sense.

[lookout]

And yet he doesn't say that test he did - can't have been the PCL-R because he mentions that was used PREVIOUSLY. The official site needs to clarify because they are quoting him yet what they have posted doesn't make any sense.

I'm going to find out about these conflicting reports,it's not right,it's not ethical.

[Caroline]

I'm going to find out about these conflicting reports,it's not right,it's not ethical.

Well, it certainly needs clarifying - it doesn't make any sense.

[Stephanie]

Egan went on to say of Jeremy's state of mind,quote " Non-Psychopathic. He did not meet the caseness for clinical psychopathy or even mild psychopathy.He did not meet caseness for any of the personality disorder dimensions----unquote "

Neither did SH.

[Jane]

I'm going to find out about these conflicting reports,it's not right,it's not ethical.

But this often happens when there's an agenda involved, doesn't it, Lookout. Apparently, money is being asked for, for certain tests to be carried out. People aren't going to give money if they believe Jeremy is guilty. Not only MUST they make him look innocent, there must be "expert names" that that back them up.

[lookout]

Neither did SH.

I'm NOT talking about SH !! Leave him out of this case,please. No two cases are alike ! You might think so but they're not,there's no connection whatsoever.

[Jane]

I'm NOT talking about SH !! Leave him out of this case,please. No two cases are alike ! You might think so but they're not,there's no connection whatsoever.

Lookout, may we remind you of that next time you throw in another case of a poor woman who kills her children an/or commits suicide?