Latest Vlog _ Jeremy's Polygraph Test_2

[David1819]

Really, David. I'm very surprised  you'd say such a thing, because I could have sworn, from your posts, that you're convinced of Jeremy's innocence.

I am not convinced of guilt or innocence as neither can be proven. When I first got interested in the case I was fairly sure he was guilty due to the fact his he had been in prison for 28 years and all his appeals rejected.  However I could not help reading more and more evidence and the more I studied I began to realise his innocence is a strong possibility, Its just a question of whether you are prepared to accept that the Justice system will never admit to such an appalling mistake, and are prepared to bend the rules for the sake of their own reputation.

[Adam]

'There were four separate phones at the farm, all on the same line: one in the kitchen, one in the office and another in Nevill and June’s bedroom. A cordless phone had been collected for repair two days earlier'.

From Woffindens article. This has been discussed before. A lot. I've always said Bamber removed the kitchen phone off it's hook upon entrance. To disable all phones. Then moved the bedroom phone downstairs to explain Neville's kitchen fight.

Scipio said the bedroom phone was already downstairs.

To believe CAL got the idea from you is optimistic. Didn't all big houses in the 80's have one phone line ? So I'm sure she could work it out herself.

[Jane]

I am not convinced of guilt or innocence as neither can be proven. When I first got interested in the case I was fairly sure he was guilty due to the fact his he had been in prison for 28 years and all his appeals rejected.  However I could not help reading more and more evidence and the more I studied I began to realise his innocence is a strong possibility, Its just a question of whether you are prepared to accept that the Justice system will never admit to such an appalling mistake, and are prepared to bend the rules for the sake of their own reputation.

Are you saying that whether he's guilty or innocent, for you, this is more about failings in the judicial system? As, in your view, neither guilt nor innocence can be proved, where does that leave you?

[Adam]

From Woffinden:

'The telephone that moved downstairs is the key to solving the White House Farm murders.

Why? Because the phone which was normally on Nevill Bamber’s bedside table was the principal obstacle to Jeremy Bamber’s hopes of fulfilling an ambition he had confided to Julie Mugford, his girlfriend: that of committing the perfect murder.

Someone in the house had only to call 999 and identify him as the gunman for his entire plan to be foiled. Once we recognise this it becomes possible to reconstruct events'.


It's pretty obvious Woffinden was suggesting Bamber disabled all phones upon entrance. Not just the bedroom phone, but the upstairs office phone also needed to be disabled.

[Jane]

'There were four separate phones at the farm, all on the same line: one in the kitchen, one in the office and another in Nevill and June’s bedroom. A cordless phone had been collected for repair two days earlier'.

From Woffindens article. This has been discussed before. A lot. I've always said Bamber removed the kitchen phone off it's hook upon entrance. To disable all phones. Then moved the bedroom phone downstairs to explain Neville's kitchen fight.

Scipio said the bedroom phone was already downstairs.

To believe CAL got the idea from you is optimistic. Didn't all big houses in the 80's have one phone line ? So I'm sure she could work it out herself.

How much have what you've churned out has been considered good enough to be written about, Adam?

[Adam]

How much have what you've churned out has been considered good enough to be written about, Adam?

Not sure what you are saying.

Anyway, David believes CAL got the idea that Bamber took the kitchen phone off the hook to disable all phones upon entrance, from him.

[Jane]

Not sure what you are saying.

Anyway, David believes CAL got the idea that Bamber took the kitchen phone off the hook to disable all phones upon entrance, from him.

Maybe she did. She didn't get any ideas from you, did she?

[Adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6845.msg317452.html#msg317452

This is a thread about the phones. Although it had been discussed a lot beforehand.

[David1819]

'There were four separate phones at the farm, all on the same line: one in the kitchen, one in the office and another in Nevill and June’s bedroom. A cordless phone had been collected for repair two days earlier'.

From Woffindens article. This has been discussed before. A lot. I've always said Bamber removed the kitchen phone off it's hook upon entrance. To disable all phones. Then moved the bedroom phone downstairs to explain Neville's kitchen fight.

Scipio said the bedroom phone was already downstairs.

To believe CAL got the idea from you is optimistic. Didn't all big houses in the 80's have one phone line ? So I'm sure she could work it out herself.

I did say it could be a coincidence. I've never heard you mention it and as for scipio he went nuts when I brought it up because it didn't suit his theory and denied that taking the phone off the hook disables the line and he still denies it to this day.

It's not exactly difficult to work out however with cases like these people naturally tend to over complicate things and that prevents people focusing on simpler explanations.

[Adam]

Maybe she did. She didn't get any ideas from you, did she?

No idea.

[Jane]

No idea.

I'm sure you don't.

[guest7363]

No Bob Woffindon claims Jeremy re-arraigned the phones so they could not call out. when my theory is much more simple - take phone off the hook in downstairs kitchen then no other phone can call out hence Jeremy did not need to take the upstairs phone downstairs ect ect. The upstairs phone was taken downstairs because June preffered it downstairs.

Simple

This is from his article in the Daily Mail, May 2011

On the evening of the murders, he drove home from the farmhouse at around 10pm to his small cottage nearby in Goldhanger village. He returned on his mother’s bicycle. The first thing he did on entering the house was to take the kitchen phone off the hook. By doing this he disabled every phone in the house.

[Adam]

Whether the main bedroom phone was already downstairs or not, Bamber would have taken the plugged in kitchen phone off the hook, upon entrance.

This was easy to do and disabled the other two/three working phones inside WHF.

[Adam]

This is from his article in the Daily Mail, May 2011

On the evening of the murders, he drove home from the farmhouse at around 10pm to his small cottage nearby in Goldhanger village. He returned on his mother’s bicycle. The first thing he did on entering the house was to take the kitchen phone off the hook. By doing this he disabled every phone in the house.

Thank you. I believed I read that somewhere. I have just read it again and seen it.

[David1819]

This is from his article in the Daily Mail, May 2011

On the evening of the murders, he drove home from the farmhouse at around 10pm to his small cottage nearby in Goldhanger village. He returned on his mother’s bicycle. The first thing he did on entering the house was to take the kitchen phone off the hook. By doing this he disabled every phone in the house.

Your right! I read this a while back but not the full article. He claims Jeremy moved the phone from his parents room and plugged it in downstairs in order to prevent them calling 999, then further down the article he mentions disabling all lines with the phone off the hook, then why argue Jeremy unplugged the phone upstairs when he could have used the phone already downstairs to disable the lines? Strange.