Reasons why Sheila did not wake:

[Jane]

The second to last point in my thread point answers this.

Bamber had lots of options with Sheila. Physical force, persuasion, coercion, or a combination of all three. Or shooting her while she slept. He only had to move her a few feet.

There is always the slim chance she did wake, didn't go to the twins, and then somehow avoided Junes blood. Bamber would then just shoot a terrified Sheila.

 These options only apply if Sheila was in her own room. You have said, innumerable times, that Sheila wouldn't have seen June because it was dark. The light switches in old houses are generally just inside the door, to the right of where it opens. As June fell by an open door, it would suggest that, at some point, the door had been opened so all Sheila would have had to do was put her hand out. She knew the house. If Sheila walked from her room to the master bedroom, I doubt she'd have done it in the dark. I imagine she'd have put lights on if Jeremy hadn't already put them on. I can't think how, with lights on, it would have been possible, if June was already dead, for her NOT to have seen June who was almost in the door way.

[Adam]

 These options only apply if Sheila was in her own room. You have said, innumerable times, that Sheila wouldn't have seen June because it was dark. The light switches in old houses are generally just inside the door, to the right of where it opens. As June fell by an open door, it would suggest that, at some point, the door had been opened so all Sheila would have had to do was put her hand out. She knew the house. If Sheila walked from her room to the master bedroom, I doubt she'd have done it in the dark. I imagine she'd have put lights on if Jeremy hadn't already put them on. I can't think how, with lights on, it would have been possible, if June was already dead, for her NOT to have seen June who was almost in the door way.

So Sheila may have seen June and gone over to her. So why didn't her hands and feet have June's blood on ?

[Jane]

The forensic evidence that the twins did not wake is a major reason why Sheila did not wake.

The twins would have run to their mother, if woken. If two 6 year olds didn't wake, why should Sheila ?

You don't have children, do you?  Some children, under some circumstances -a nightmare/feeling sick/having pain, MAY run to their mothers. Some will just lay and cry. I question whether these particular children WOULD have gone to Sheila IF they'd woken. They weren't used to relying on her. She had neglected them. They'd had to dress themselves and feed themselves and take themselves to school when they were with her. It also seems, from what's been said, they'd had a very active day. I have no problem believing they slept soundly.

[David1819]

Well another poster said that. I agreed it was possible. Shooting her in the neck while she slept negates her. He could cover the wound and spend 6 or 7 seconds carrying Sheila a few feet to his chosen postion. No blood would drip. It was a rifle, not a shot gun.

Either that, or he shot Sheila in the main bedroom.

Anyway, you believe Sheila could have carried out the massacre. Can you please provide you're 2016 'detailed' account how she did this. Which you said you were going to do in 2015. Do you agree with Sherlock, that Sheila was charging around WHF at 2pm, bare footed in a nightie, holding a loaded rifle. Neville errr ringing Bamber 

Adam your posts don't bring any closure what so ever. You think its foolish to believe that Neville rang Jeremy before being shot yet at the same time you claim its perfectly plausible for Jeremy to be washing and changing bed sheets around 2AM after he shot everyone?

Your the one producing silly scenario's not me.

[Adam]

Adam your posts don't bring any closure what so ever. You think its foolish to believe that Neville rang Jeremy before being shot yet at the same time you claim its perfectly plausible for Jeremy to be washing and changing bed sheets around 2AM after he shot everyone?

Your the one producing silly scenario's not me.

I don't believe Bamber washed any bed sheets after the massacre. He didn't need to.

[Adam]

You don't have children, do you?  Some children, under some circumstances -a nightmare/feeling sick/having pain, MAY run to their mothers. Some will just lay and cry. I question whether these particular children WOULD have gone to Sheila IF they'd woken. They weren't used to relying on her. She had neglected them. They'd had to dress themselves and feed themselves and take themselves to school when they were with her. It also seems, from what's been said, they'd had a very active day. I have no problem believing they slept soundly.

So the twins were awake but stayed in bed ?

Was that while Sheila was reading the bible out loud in the main bedroom ?

[Jane]

So Sheila may have seen June and gone over to her. So why didn't her hands and feet have June's blood on ?

If June was laying almost in the door through which Sheila was trying to enter there would have been no need for her to have "gone over to her". With lights on, I guess it would have been easy enough for her to step over any blood. June was heavily bloodstained but she hadn't bled out.

[Adam]

If June was laying almost in the door through which Sheila was trying to enter there would have been no need for her to have "gone over to her". With lights on, I guess it would have been easy enough for her to step over any blood. June was heavily bloodstained but she hadn't bled out.

Why would Sheila step over June, who was her mother ?

June was laying on the floor covered in blood. Sheila had somehow woken after hearing rifle shots and a downstairs kitchen fight.

[Jane]

So the twins were awake but stayed in bed ?

Was that while Sheila was reading the bible out loud in the main bedroom ?

So you seem to believe, Adam. Where did I say they were awake? Nor did I say Sheila WAS reading the Bible out loud. I suggested it was a possibility if she'd been terrified. It's more credible than you suggesting Jeremy changed the sheets having shot Sheila in bed and then saying it wouldn't have been necessary because the neck wound wouldn't have bled, and he'd have wrapped a towel around her to prevent blood dripping on the way to the master bedroom. Did you ever discuss what he did with the towel?

[David1819]

I don't believe Bamber washed any bed sheets after the massacre. He didn't need to.

You once claimed that Jeremy shot Shelia while she was asleep in her bed. When I pointed out to you there was no blood on the bed you said Jeremy could have washed and changed the sheets after Jeremy carried her into the main bedroom to shoot her a second time. And that it had to Be Jeremy because Shelia would not have found the bible in a house that big.

And you think my theories are bad?

[Jane]

Why would Sheila step over June, who was her mother ?

June was laying on the floor covered in blood. Sheila had somehow woken after hearing rifle shots and a downstairs kitchen fight.

Why do you think Sheila might step over her mother? I didn't give a reason for Sheila being awake.

[Adam]

So you seem to believe, Adam. Where did I say they were awake? Nor did I say Sheila WAS reading the Bible out loud. I suggested it was a possibility if she'd been terrified. It's more credible than you suggesting Jeremy changed the sheets having shot Sheila in bed and then saying it wouldn't have been necessary because the neck wound wouldn't have bled, and he'd have wrapped a towel around her to prevent blood dripping on the way to the master bedroom. Did you ever discuss what he did with the towel?

I didn't say Bambet changed the sheets, or needed a towel. A former poster did.

Anyway this thread is about why Sheila did not wake. There are 24 forensic facts.

After changing stance after 29 years, for some reason you continue to believe Sheila would wake. Now saying the twins may have been awake but stayed in bed. And would not have gone to their mother, if they woke.And that Sheila would step over her mother. This was after previously suggesting Sheila was reading the bible out loud, or slept in the main bedroom.

[Jane]

I didn't say Bambet changed the sheets, or needed a towel. A former poster did.

Anyway this thread is about why Sheila did not wake. There are 24 forensic facts.

After changing stance after 29 years, for some reason you continue to believe Sheila would wake. Now saying the twins may have been awake but stayed in bed. And would not have gone to their mother, if they woke.And that Sheila would step over her mother. This was after previously suggesting Sheila was reading the bible out loud, or slept in the main bedroom.

 You're either being deliberately provocative or you're not reading thoroughly. Where have I said the twins may have been awake? In fact, where have I stated ANY of what you are claiming I have?

[Adam]

You're either being deliberately provocative or you're not reading thoroughly. Where have I said the twins may have been awake? In fact, where have I stated ANY of what you are claiming I have?

Do you believe the overwhelming forensic facts that support that Sheila did not wake ? In my thread post.

Refusing to accept the obvious is why you supported Bamber for 29 years. Wrongly.

[Jane]

Do you believe the overwhelming forensic facts that support that Sheila did not wake ? In my thread post.

Refusing to accept the obvious is why you supported Bamber for 29 years. Wrongly.

Do you believe everything you post?