Reasons why MM was introduced as a proxy:

[Adam]

Julie would know Bamber was involved after the previous 18 months.

It admits indirect involvement as there was no point in him denying it. 

He wanted to boast about his brilliant plan, but distance himself from actually being there.

He knew Julie was not not going to see MM in the near future.

It shows he is not so bad as to carry out the massacre himself. Which may deter her from going to the police.

It will highlight Julie being wrong if she tells the police MM did it. Which will undermine her whole accusation. This is what happened.

If MM did it, Julie would be accusing two people. Who would both deny it and cover for each other. This would deter Julie from approaching the police.

If MM was involved, there may be other people involved. Who would cover for each other. This would deter Julie from going to the police.

Julie may believe MM did it, as he had a reputation of a mercenary.

Julie may believe MM did it, as the alleged 2k payment was not impossible to acquire.

If MM did it, there would be no forensic evidence linking Bamber to the crime. A jilted lover seeking revenge may only end up convicting MM. Or neither.

If MM did it, Bamber may have an alibi. He could easily get an ex girlfriend to stay the night with him.

If MM did it, it would mean Bamber was at home all night. Which he may be able to prove. No one would have certainly seen him leave his cottage.

Julie may go to the police anyway. Based on what Bamber had told her pre massacre. Julie doing this and then bringing up MM, undermines her statement.

Julie asked him. He gave an answer.

[buddy]

Julie would know Bamber was involved after the previous 18 months.

It admits indirect involvement as there was no point in him denying it. 

He wanted to boast about his brilliant plan, but distance himself from actually being there.

He knew Julie was not not going to see MM in the near future.

It shows he is not so bad as to carry out the massacre himself. Which may deter her from going to the police.

It will highlight Julie being wrong if she tells the police MM did it. Which will undermine her whole accusation.

If MM did it, Julie would be accusing two people. Who would both deny it and cover for each other. This would deter Julie from approaching the police.

If MM was involved, there may be other people involved. Who would cover for each other. This would deter Julie from going to the police.

Julie may believe MM did it, as he had a reputation of a mercenary.

If MM did it, there would be no forensic evidence linking Bamber to the crime. A jilted lover seeking revenge may only end up convicting MM. Or neither.

If MM did it, Bamber may have an alibi. He could easily get an ex girlfriend to stay the night with him.

If MM did it, it would mean Bamber was at home all night. Which he may be able to prove. No one would have certainly seen him leave his cottage.

Rubbish.

[Jan]

Another thread Adam ?

Change the title to

Why Adam thinks MM was introduced as a proxy . Because that is all your post is .

[Jan]

Here is a mad theory - No more mad than any of yours -

Julie was spurned upset and wanted revenge and attention . So she made it up and was making a drama in front of her friends thinking they would shower her with sympathy and would loathe Jeremy.

But it backfired because they dobbed her in .

She was taken in for questioning and said sorry I lied

And the police said - you will be an accessory to murder as we think your story could be true - we think he did it - so spill the beans or else we will arrest you.

there you go - add it to your list - its just as possible.

[buddy]

I run out of breath reading your posts. Are you smiffy?

[guest154]

Here is a mad theory - No more mad than any of yours -

Julie was spurned upset and wanted revenge and attention . So she made it up and was making a drama in front of her friends thinking they would shower her with sympathy and would loathe Jeremy.

But it backfired because they dobbed her in .

She was taken in for questioning and said sorry I lied

And the police said - you will be an accessory to murder as we think your story could be true - we think he did it - so spill the beans or else we will arrest you.

there you go - add it to your list - its just as possible.

Is that your theorie?

[Adam]

There are not any reasons why MM would be brought up. Unless Bamber had really mentioned her to Julie.

Julie trying to frame him, already had loads of disadvantages,  TAC. She is not going to make things harder for herself by bringing up MM. Especially after going into so much detail on what Bamber was saying in the 18 months prior to the massacre. She would just say Bamber told her he did it.

Ditto the police if creating a false WS for Julie.

However in my opinion, there are 15 reasons why Bamber would use a proxy. 

[guest154]

As for the topic title. I think that MM was introduced as a proxy by Bamber solely to distance Bamber himself form the murder of the two children.

[Adam]

As for the topic title. I think that MM was introduced as a proxy by Bamber solely to distance Bamber himself form the murder of the two children.

That's a good reason. Julie said to Bamber she couldn't understand why Bamber would want the twins dead.

Julie either went for the 0.1% chance of a successful frame. Bamber said he 'did it', or the police encouraged her to assist them to frame him. Either way, MM would not be a factor.

The only conclusion is Bamber did mention MM as a proxy. Why ? Well there are 15 possible reasons above.

[Caroline]

I think he introduced MM to prevent Julie from ratting on him. She thought MM was a mercenary, so she might fear the consequences of going to the police and IF she did, her story could be quickly discredited and Bamber could simply say she was seeking revenge.

[Adam]

I think he introduced MM to prevent Julie from ratting on him. She thought MM was a mercenary, so she might fear the consequences of going to the police and IF she did, her story could be quickly discredited and Bamber could simply say she was seeking revenge.

That's another reason why Bamber would use MM as a proxy. 

Julie would know that Bamber didn't have friends that would attempt to bump her off if she ratted on him. But would know nothing about MM's contacts. Just that he had a reputation as a big mercenary. If MM was brave enough to massacre five people, what would his contacts be like ?

And what retribution would MM attempt if Julie accused him and he didn't get convicted ?

[Adam]

The main thing supporters bring up regarding Julie's WS is that she never said Bamber did it. That is correct. He said MM did it.

This thread at first gave 15 reasons why. Although it's now 17.

Using a proxy was a smart move. Bamber did plan the massacre for a year, so had plenty of time to decide this. If he was going to admit involvement to Julie, was he really going to do it any other way ?

[Jan]

Is that your theorie?

No

just trying to get Adam to think out of the box. It is a pointless exercise I know.

[Jan]

The main thing supporters bring up regarding Julie's WS is that she never said Bamber did it. That is correct. He said MM did it.

This thread at first gave 15 reasons why. Although it's now 17.

Using a proxy was a smart move. Bamber did plan the massacre for a year, so had plenty of time to decide this. If he was going to admit involvement to Julie, was he really going to do it any other way ?

would have been much better if he had kept his mouth shut all together then you would not be wasting your time trying to put yourself inside his head trying to work out his logic. Perhaps he did not have any.

[Adam]

He should have kept his mouth shut. But moaned to Julie for 18 months. As a lot of disgruntled people will do to their spouses, or anyone else that would listen.

The main difference is Bamber wanted to 'get rid of them all'.