Questions about the bible :

[Adam]

Sherlock my window thread today has Bamber standing at the bottom of the stairs. Holding a loaded rifle. Everyone asleep.

His cycle ride and window entrance would be simple and quiet. Threads created.

Feel free to tell me what problems Bamber would now encounter.

[sherlock]

Sheila was running about the house with a weak rifle she had never used before. I suppose we have all been guilty of running around our parents house holding a rifle, bare footed and in our PJ's at least once in our lives. Haven't we ?

She was bare foot in her nightie. So had obviously gone to bed. What made her wake up and go on this horrific rampage. It certainly wasn't the alleged supper conversation which the judge dismissed. Or anyone else in WHF. They were all asleep.

Bit of a surprise no one else woke while Sheila was running around the house.

Oh yes, Bamber was a real help when he eventually answered Neville's 'mysterious' call. There are 40 reasons why Neville would not call Bamber. Thread created.

Bamber is saying Neville phoned him at 3.10am. Then Neville phoned the police at 3.26am. Or is it 3.36am. Bamber keeps changing times. Anyway why did Neville call the police if Sheila started shooting when Neville was on the phone to Bamber. Are you saying Neville heard the shots but still phoned the police. Or didn't hear the shots but still cut his call off to Bamber abruptly. 

If Sheila started shooting while Neville was on the phone, she would be out of bullets by the time Neville got upstairs. Especially if Neville called the police while the shooting took place.

Neville runs upstairs, unprotected. And allows Sheila to get within inches of him and shoot him four times. He then runs downstairs for some unexplained reason. Rather than confront Sheila upstairs in an attempt to save his wife, grand children, daughter and himself.

Not true - he says Neville phoned him about 3.10 or so - meaning Neville would have phoned the Police at about 3.11 or 3.12 ...

It was Jeremy who phoned the Police at 3.26 - i believe the call lasted 10 minutes and ended at 3.36 ...

[Adam]

Not true - he says Neville phoned him about 3.10 or so - meaning Neville would have phoned the Police at about 3.11 or 3.12 ...

It was Jeremy who phoned the Police at 3.26 - i believe the call lasted 10 minutes and ended at 3.36 ...

The OS says Neville called the police at 3.26am.

[Caroline]

Not true - he says Neville phoned him about 3.10 or so - meaning Neville would have phoned the Police at about 3.11 or 3.12 ...

It was Jeremy who phoned the Police at 3.26 - i believe the call lasted 10 minutes and ended at 3.36 ...

Well that's strange because Jeremy is now arguing that he called the police at 03:36! Wonder why when Jeremy called the police, he wasn't told that the incident had already been reported? 

[sherlock]

Sheila was running about the house with a weak rifle she had never used before. I suppose we have all been guilty of running around our parents house holding a rifle, bare footed and in our PJ's at least once in our lives. Haven't we ?

She was bare foot in her nightie. So had obviously gone to bed. What made her wake up and go on this horrific rampage. It certainly wasn't the alleged supper conversation which the judge dismissed. Or anyone else in WHF. They were all asleep.

Bit of a surprise no one else woke while Sheila was running around the house.

Oh yes, Bamber was a real help when he eventually answered Neville's 'mysterious' call. There are 40 reasons why Neville would not call Bamber. Thread created.

Bamber is saying Neville phoned him at 3.10am. Then Neville phoned the police at 3.26am. Or is it 3.36am. Bamber keeps changing times. Anyway why did Neville call the police if Sheila started shooting when Neville was on the phone to Bamber. Are you saying Neville heard the shots but still phoned the police. Or didn't hear the shots but still cut his call off to Bamber abruptly. 

If Sheila started shooting while Neville was on the phone, she would be out of bullets by the time Neville got upstairs. Especially if Neville called the police while the shooting took place.

Neville runs upstairs, unprotected. And allows Sheila to get within inches of him and shoot him four times. He then runs downstairs for some unexplained reason. Rather than confront Sheila upstairs in an attempt to save his wife, grand children, daughter and himself.

Neville would have called the Police because the incident had just changed from a manageable within the family situation to a situation requiring Police involvement ...

I am saying that Neville heard the first shot whilst on the phone to Jeremy - he therefore hung up so as to phone the Police for help ...

[sherlock]

Sheila was running about the house with a weak rifle she had never used before. I suppose we have all been guilty of running around our parents house holding a rifle, bare footed and in our PJ's at least once in our lives. Haven't we ?

She was bare foot in her nightie. So had obviously gone to bed. What made her wake up and go on this horrific rampage. It certainly wasn't the alleged supper conversation which the judge dismissed. Or anyone else in WHF. They were all asleep.

Bit of a surprise no one else woke while Sheila was running around the house.

Oh yes, Bamber was a real help when he eventually answered Neville's 'mysterious' call. There are 40 reasons why Neville would not call Bamber. Thread created.

Bamber is saying Neville phoned him at 3.10am. Then Neville phoned the police at 3.26am. Or is it 3.36am. Bamber keeps changing times. Anyway why did Neville call the police if Sheila started shooting when Neville was on the phone to Bamber. Are you saying Neville heard the shots but still phoned the police. Or didn't hear the shots but still cut his call off to Bamber abruptly. 

If Sheila started shooting while Neville was on the phone, she would be out of bullets by the time Neville got upstairs. Especially if Neville called the police while the shooting took place.

Neville runs upstairs, unprotected. And allows Sheila to get within inches of him and shoot him four times. He then runs downstairs for some unexplained reason. Rather than confront Sheila upstairs in an attempt to save his wife, grand children, daughter and himself.

Not true ...

The loaded gun had according to Jeremy between 7 and 10 bullets in it ...

The first 3 or 4 were fired at June ...

The next 3 to 7 bullets were fired into Neville ...

A reload in the kitchen and then Neville was finished off and possibly June was shot again - if not already shot 4 times by then ...

[Adam]

Neville would have called the Police because the incident had just changed from a manageable within the family situation to a situation requiring Police involvement ...

I am saying that Neville heard the first shot whilst on the phone to Jeremy - he therefore hung up so as to phone the Police for help ...

Sheila starts shooting. Neville hears this. So cuts off his call to Bamber to.....phone the police !

If Neville was so frightened of Sheila firing a weak rifle and had to call the police. Why did he go upstairs ? And why did Sheila still have four bullets left ? Sheila would have used them all on June and the twins.

[sherlock]

Sheila was running about the house with a weak rifle she had never used before. I suppose we have all been guilty of running around our parents house holding a rifle, bare footed and in our PJ's at least once in our lives. Haven't we ?

She was bare foot in her nightie. So had obviously gone to bed. What made her wake up and go on this horrific rampage. It certainly wasn't the alleged supper conversation which the judge dismissed. Or anyone else in WHF. They were all asleep.

Bit of a surprise no one else woke while Sheila was running around the house.

Oh yes, Bamber was a real help when he eventually answered Neville's 'mysterious' call. There are 40 reasons why Neville would not call Bamber. Thread created.

Bamber is saying Neville phoned him at 3.10am. Then Neville phoned the police at 3.26am. Or is it 3.36am. Bamber keeps changing times. Anyway why did Neville call the police if Sheila started shooting when Neville was on the phone to Bamber. Are you saying Neville heard the shots but still phoned the police. Or didn't hear the shots but still cut his call off to Bamber abruptly. 

If Sheila started shooting while Neville was on the phone, she would be out of bullets by the time Neville got upstairs. Especially if Neville called the police while the shooting took place.

Neville runs upstairs, unprotected. And allows Sheila to get within inches of him and shoot him four times. He then runs downstairs for some unexplained reason. Rather than confront Sheila upstairs in an attempt to save his wife, grand children, daughter and himself.

Neville Bamber was a brave man and probably thought he could tackle Sheila - he took that chance and it didn't pay off ...

[Adam]

Not true ...

The loaded gun had according to Jeremy between 7 and 10 bullets in it ...

The first 3 or 4 were fired at June ...

The next 3 to 7 bullets were fired into Neville ...

A reload in the kitchen and then Neville was finished off and possibly June was shot again - if not already shot 4 times by then ...

No one knows the order of the bullets upstairs.

June and the twins were shot 15 times.

[sherlock]

Sheila was running about the house with a weak rifle she had never used before. I suppose we have all been guilty of running around our parents house holding a rifle, bare footed and in our PJ's at least once in our lives. Haven't we ?

She was bare foot in her nightie. So had obviously gone to bed. What made her wake up and go on this horrific rampage. It certainly wasn't the alleged supper conversation which the judge dismissed. Or anyone else in WHF. They were all asleep.

Bit of a surprise no one else woke while Sheila was running around the house.

Oh yes, Bamber was a real help when he eventually answered Neville's 'mysterious' call. There are 40 reasons why Neville would not call Bamber. Thread created.

Bamber is saying Neville phoned him at 3.10am. Then Neville phoned the police at 3.26am. Or is it 3.36am. Bamber keeps changing times. Anyway why did Neville call the police if Sheila started shooting when Neville was on the phone to Bamber. Are you saying Neville heard the shots but still phoned the police. Or didn't hear the shots but still cut his call off to Bamber abruptly. 

If Sheila started shooting while Neville was on the phone, she would be out of bullets by the time Neville got upstairs. Especially if Neville called the police while the shooting took place.

Neville runs upstairs, unprotected. And allows Sheila to get within inches of him and shoot him four times. He then runs downstairs for some unexplained reason. Rather than confront Sheila upstairs in an attempt to save his wife, grand children, daughter and himself.

He could have run downstairs to simply take cover - having already been shot 3 times - it was in fact the most sensible place to run ...

[Adam]

Neville Bamber was a brave man and probably thought he could tackle Sheila - he took that chance and it didn't pay off ...

Neville was so brave he rang the police after his family started getting shot.

But over five minutes later he wanders upstairs unprotected. He probably assummed Sheila in her rage had used up all the bullets.

[sherlock]

Sheila was running about the house with a weak rifle she had never used before. I suppose we have all been guilty of running around our parents house holding a rifle, bare footed and in our PJ's at least once in our lives. Haven't we ?

She was bare foot in her nightie. So had obviously gone to bed. What made her wake up and go on this horrific rampage. It certainly wasn't the alleged supper conversation which the judge dismissed. Or anyone else in WHF. They were all asleep.

Bit of a surprise no one else woke while Sheila was running around the house.

Oh yes, Bamber was a real help when he eventually answered Neville's 'mysterious' call. There are 40 reasons why Neville would not call Bamber. Thread created.

Bamber is saying Neville phoned him at 3.10am. Then Neville phoned the police at 3.26am. Or is it 3.36am. Bamber keeps changing times. Anyway why did Neville call the police if Sheila started shooting when Neville was on the phone to Bamber. Are you saying Neville heard the shots but still phoned the police. Or didn't hear the shots but still cut his call off to Bamber abruptly. 

If Sheila started shooting while Neville was on the phone, she would be out of bullets by the time Neville got upstairs. Especially if Neville called the police while the shooting took place.

Neville runs upstairs, unprotected. And allows Sheila to get within inches of him and shoot him four times. He then runs downstairs for some unexplained reason. Rather than confront Sheila upstairs in an attempt to save his wife, grand children, daughter and himself.

He had bravely confronted Sheila and as any fighter pilot would know - getting the "enemy" to pursue you whilst moving away from your "friends" is the best way to protect them - by getting Sheila to pursue him down the stairs he was physically taking her further away from his family ..

[Adam]

He could have run downstairs to simply take cover - having already been shot 3 times - it was in fact the most sensible place to run ...

How Bamber committed the massacre is much more straight forward. Thread already created.

No ridiculous scenarios that simply did not happen.

[Adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6549.msg295006.html#msg295006

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[sherlock]

Just re read Sherlocks post.

I've never heard a poster say Neville heard Sheila firing upstairs shots while he was on the phone to Bamber. Then rather than run upstairs, Neville then spends at least 5 minutrs phoning the police !

Sheila will be out of bullets. And June dead. But at least Neville can restrain Sheila upstairs, can't he ?

From the details of his alleged call to the Police it might well have taken 1 minute - not 5

He may well have heard a shot but still not believed the shot had actually been at a person - he probably believed she had just fired in the air - serious enough to instantly call the Police - but not so serious as to run upstairs without phoning the Police first ...