Questions about the bible :

[Jan]

David said Sheila read the bible. And no one knows whether she had brought her own bible with her.

You would expect Sheila to bring her own bible. As they are personal things and she was staying at WHF for a long time.

So it was a surprise she used June's bible prior to committing suicide. She had just shot June 7 times.

The only explanation is she didn't bring a bible to WHF as she didn't read one. And that Bamber rather obviously put the bible next to Sheila.

why would she bring her own bible when there were 4 at the house?

[Jan]

Which IS odd because Dr Ferguson stated that whilst, during her first breakdown, her conversations were all about her relationships with her children/.family, during her second breakdown she barely mentioned them. Given that after she left his care for the second time he never saw her again, I have to wonder from where his information came.

It came from this forum - that's all I can say 

[lookout]

Most posters have referred to that as a possibility not a fact .It could just be that she was clinically severely depressed and thought everyone would be better off without her and if she could not have her sons no one could . No one knows it is all supposition and assumption. But one thing that Jeremy did not lie about was that she was ill and whatever the truth she should be sympathised with and not be the subject of sarcasm.


 What do you think about Fergusons comments ?

 As well as a deteriorating condition which I've read too. Which, reading between the lines sounds as though everything had been done that could be done.

[sami]

there are threads in 2011 called "the bible" and the photos of the page it was open at are on there and in the archives. Use the search button.

Interesting about the cleansing referral when you read what ferguson said in court


court, Dr Ferguson said: ‘Sheila had a very strong belief that she had evil in her mind and her adopted mother also had evil in her mind and they both needed the evil to be cleansed… She was… caught up with the idea that the Devil had taken her over and given her the power to direct the Devil’s evil not only on to other people but particularly her twin sons… She had complex ideas about having sex with her twin sons. She thought her sons would seduce her and saw the devil in both of them. In particular, she thought Nicholas was a woman-hater and a potential murderer.’ Merely a matter of days before the shootings, a psychiatric report noted that her illness was centred on her children whom she referred to ‘the Devil’s children.’ Dr Ferguson also wrote in his report that Sheila had expressed suicidal ideation

if he knew all that yet didnt section her .than he should be charged with failing to provide proper care for sheila.sheila had expressed suicidal ideation.fair enough.did she express thoughts of killing others

[David1819]

I think from his post he may not be familiar with the bible at all ?

Have you heard his latest piece of evidence against Jeremy?  He claims the bible must have been plated by Jeremy because Shelia would not have been able to find the bible in a house that big.

[Jane]

 As well as a deteriorating condition which I've read too. Which, reading between the lines sounds as though everything had been done that could be done.

Lookout, I wonder what more he could be expected to have done? She was a private patient so he couldn't keep her there against her will. He had medicated her in a way he believed to be appropriate. She had positive feelings about her future life. I believe he'd put some counselling sessions in place for her and he'd arranged for psychiatric nurses to visit her. It sounds as if everything was done that COULD have been done...................That's not to say it was enough but his hands were tied by the Bambers' refusal to use the NHS.

[Jane]

Have you heard his latest piece of evidence against Jeremy?  He claims the bible must have been plated by Jeremy because Shelia would not have been able to find the bible in a house that big.

I mostly only answer those posts of Adam's quoted by others, which is how I noticed his ignorance of the bible. Judging by the opening post Adam is amusing himself at your expense. He appears to have prepared a set of questions which have no positive answer -they're ambiguous- so no one is going to be able to answer them correctly but he'll probably be sniggering at your efforts.

[lookout]

Lookout, I wonder what more he could be expected to have done? She was a private patient so he couldn't keep her there against her will. He had medicated her in a way he believed to be appropriate. She had positive feelings about her future life. I believe he'd put some counselling sessions in place for her and he'd arranged for psychiatric nurses to visit her. It sounds as if everything was done that COULD have been done...................That's not to say it was enough but his hands were tied by the Bambers' refusal to use the NHS.

Jane,you can take a horse to water,etc etc,and this is possibly what Dr Ferguson was referring to as Sheila wasn't compliant in following up with anything.The ball was in her court if she'd ever wished to get better and he'd have known of the consequences of her refusals.

[Adam]

why would she bring her own bible when there were 4 at the house?

Well I have just asked for a source that there were four bibles.

As I said bibles are personal things.

Anyway Sheila would certainly have been reading more warped religious material. She massacred her whole family. Except Bamber. It is a surprise she didn't bring this reading material with her.

She didn't just commit this crime because of the alleged supper conversation. June's bible was next to her.

[Adam]

I think from his post he may not be familiar with the bible at all ?

Correct.

[Jane]

Jane,you can take a horse to water,etc etc,and this is possibly what Dr Ferguson was referring to as Sheila wasn't compliant in following up with anything.The ball was in her court if she'd ever wished to get better and he'd have known of the consequences of her refusals.

Which must beg the question, did he believe she was still capable of making that decision? His position was an invidious one. The Bambers, paying for her care, would surely have been entitled to know -to have received a report- on her treatment. However, Sheila was an adult so patient confidentiality would kick in. She was no longer married to Colin so similar restrictions would apply there. If she made no effort for herself, I guess she'd have been on her own................ which is probably how she felt when Christine didn't scoop her up and fly her back to Canada and Colin declined a reconciliation.

[Adam]

I was being sarcastic as I considered your question rather silly and self explanatory

These questions must be answered comprehensively. Everything about the bible points to Bamber.

And you must provide you're promised detailed 2016 breakdown of how Sheila committed the massacre. To match the crime scene. 99th request. Bamber's had a bad few weeks on here and needs a boost.

[Jane]

if he knew all that yet didnt section her .than he should be charged with failing to provide proper care for sheila.sheila had expressed suicidal ideation.fair enough.did she express thoughts of killing others

Please don't quote this as fact, but it's possible, that as she was there -in the clinic- for 4 weeks, it was the private sector's form of section. I have never heard it said that she expressed thoughts of KILLING others but I think she expressed fears of harming the boys during her first breakdown.

[Jan]

if he knew all that yet didnt section her .than he should be charged with failing to provide proper care for sheila.sheila had expressed suicidal ideation.fair enough.did she express thoughts of killing others

In his last statement he did say he saw her in March and I think he thought she had been discharged too early or something to that affect .

[Jan]

Have you heard his latest piece of evidence against Jeremy?  He claims the bible must have been plated by Jeremy because Shelia would not have been able to find the bible in a house that big.

I hope he is not a law student. Genuinely I hope he is not.