Julie's WS the day after the massacre. Why wasn't Bamber accused ?

[lebaleb]

Had they been in in together JM could have given Jeremy an alibi.

[Adam]

Had they been in in together JM could have given Jeremy an alibi.

That's right. She could have stayed at his cottage on the night.

If she didn't believe he would do it, she was already indirectly involved. This was Bamber's choice, both pre and post massacre. He told her about his plans and reasons why. Then arranged her to be brought over to him straight after the massacre.

[susan]

Had they been in in together JM could have given Jeremy an alibi.

Hi lebaleb

that is a good point one which I had not thought of.

[Jane]

Had they been in in together JM could have given Jeremy an alibi.

As far as she was able, from her remove in Lewisham, she did exactly that. I don't imagine she had a word for word script and it would have been foolish to tell them what she didn't know. Because she hadn't been at the cottage she could support him without directly implicating herself.

[maggie]

That's right. She could have stayed at his cottage on the night.

If she didn't believe he would do it, she was already indirectly involved. This was Bamber's choice, both pre and post massacre. He told her about his plans and reasons why. Then arranged her to be brought over to him straight after the massacre.

We don't know she could have stayed at his cottage that night. She may have had to be in London because of college, teaching practice or whatever was happening in her life. She may not have wanted to be so directly involved. Imo JM could look after herself and make her own decisions, I don't believe she was easily influenced as some maintain, think she knew exactly what she wanted and was determined to get it.

[maggie]

As far as she was able, from her remove in Lewisham, she did exactly that. I don't imagine she had a word for word script and it would have been foolish to tell them what she didn't know. Because she hadn't been at the cottage she could support him without directly implicating herself.

I agree with this Jane.

[Jane]

We don't know she could have stayed at his cottage that night. She may have had to be in London because of college, teaching practice or whatever was happening in her life. She may not have wanted to be so directly involved. Imo JM could look after herself and make her own decisions, I don't believe she was easily influenced as some maintain, think she knew exactly what she wanted and was determined to get it.

 I'm inclined to agree with that, Maggie. She may have thought that staying at the cottage was a "support" too far.

[maggie]

 I'm inclined to agree with that, Maggie. She may have thought that staying at the cottage was a "support" too far.

Think she would always watch her own back, always a get out clause for Julie. Imo

[Adam]

We don't know she could have stayed at his cottage that night. She may have had to be in London because of college, teaching practice or whatever was happening in her life. She may not have wanted to be so directly involved. Imo JM could look after herself and make her own decisions, I don't believe she was easily influenced as some maintain, think she knew exactly what she wanted and was determined to get it.

She could have cancelled college. There was £435,000 at stake. Something she was apparently desperate to get her hands on.

She had not heard from Bamber for three days prior to their 10pm conversation. Bamber only had a short window of opportunity. So it was probably quite a spur of the moment 'now or never' decision from him. After another hard day.

If Bamber had asked Julie to stay with him as an alibi, she would have mentioned it in her WS. He may have sussed her out, but knew she would say 'no'. Or believed she would crack if pressurised by the police.

[maggie]

She could have cancelled college. There was £435,000 at stake. Something she was apparently desperate to get her hands on.

She had not heard from Bamber for three days prior to their 10pm conversation. Bamber only had a short window of opportunity. So it was probably quite a spur of the moment 'now or never' decision from him.

If Bamber had asked Julie to stay with him as an alibi., would have mentioned it in her WS. He may have sussed her out, but knew she would say 'no'. Or believed she would crack if pressurised by the police.

You don't know she could have cancelled college without a really good excuse and it wouldn't have been wise to draw attention to herself at that time.
How do you know they hadn't been in touch for 3 days, can you prove it?
If she was part of the plan, why would she tell anyone JB had asked her to be his alibi?  If she was part of the plan it would surely have been a joint decision that he called her when he did.
You seem determined to make JM a victim but I don't believe she was ever a victim. She wasn't a victim in that NOTW interview however much she behaved like one when being questioned by the defence.

[Adam]

You don't know she could have cancelled college without a really good excuse and it wouldn't have been wise to draw attention to herself at that time.
How do you know they hadn't been in touch for 3 days, can you prove it?

It's in her first WS. There is no reason for her to lie about that. It has never been disputed.

[Jane]

You don't know she could have cancelled college without a really good excuse and it wouldn't have been wise to draw attention to herself at that time.
How do you know they hadn't been in touch for 3 days, can you prove it?
If she was part of the plan, why would she tell anyone JB had asked her to be his alibi?  If she was part of the plan it would surely have been a joint decision that he called her when he did.
You seem determined to make JM a victim but I don't believe she was ever a victim. She wasn't a victim in that NOTW interview however much she behaved like one when being questioned by the defence.

Hahaha. There's a mercenary streak in Adam which speaks very loudly.

[maggie]

It's in her first WS. There is no reason for her to lie about that. It has never been disputed.

How do you know she isn't lying or that there was no reason for her to lie? You are making assumptions Adam.
Sorry I have added to the post you have quoted.

[Adam]

The advantage of Bamber having Julie stay, is she can provide a cast iron alibi. Julie would be scared to speak out as he could then claim she also attended the massacre.

The disadvantage is she may crack after a bit of police pressure. Bamber can't claim she is lying, as she is also implicating herself.

[maggie]

The advantage of Bamber having Julie stay, is she can provide a cast iron alibi. Julie would be scared to speak out as he could then claim she also attended the massacre.

The disadvantage is she may crack after a bit of police pressure. Bamber can't claim she is lying, as she is also implicating herself.

Adam the above post is complete assumption. You have no idea if she would have been 'scared' or 'cracked' these are you assumptions and not fact. We have no idea what Jeremy or Julie thought or felt at that time.