Why Does Mugford Refuse To Say When She Signed The NOTW Deal

[JackiePreece]

She obviously knows and would obviously have kept a record of the money and terms of settlement

Why is she refusing to say the date

[Jane]

She obviously knows and would obviously have kept a record of the money and terms of settlement

Why is she refusing to say the date

Unless she's hauled into court and answers are demanded, it's her business and no one else's. I'd love to know why Jeremy has kept his silence, all these years, on the subject of Julie. I don't believe she was the love of his life and I don't believe he's remained silence out of chivalry.

[Jan]

Unless she's hauled into court and answers are demanded, it's her business and no one else's. I'd love to know why Jeremy has kept his silence, all these years, on the subject of Julie. I don't believe she was the love of his life and I don't believe he's remained silence out of chivalry.

She was asked and so was the lawyer . The money would have been paid after the trial but neither could find the original  documents .

[lookout]

Unless she's hauled into court and answers are demanded, it's her business and no one else's. I'd love to know why Jeremy has kept his silence, all these years, on the subject of Julie. I don't believe she was the love of his life and I don't believe he's remained silence out of chivalry.

He doesn't appear to be the type to talk about anyone at all and is probably someone who doesn't see bad in anyone either. If he'd been the type to do so,you wouldn't have heard the last of it.

I wonder which category we fall into ?

[Jane]

She was asked and so was the lawyer . The money would have been paid after the trial but neither could find the original  documents .

Whilst that MAY be significant, what she said in court would all have been based on what she'd told the police the previous year. That she may have entered into an arrangement with any publication would have had no bearing on it.

[Jane]

He doesn't appear to be the type to talk about anyone at all and is probably someone who doesn't see bad in anyone either. If he'd been the type to do so,you wouldn't have heard the last of it.

I wonder which category we fall into ?

Lookout, for God's sake allow him some balls!!!!! It may have slipped your notice but he spent rather a lot of time making accusations against his family.

[Jan]

Whilst that MAY be significant, what she said in court would all have been based on what she'd told the police the previous year. That she may have entered into an arrangement with any publication would have had no bearing on it.

I said that a few posts back .

But also explained why it still could have influenced her within the testimony - hence why the rules are in place.

If you were on the jury and you were told during the trial  she had sold the story about the murder of the twins for enough money to buy a small flat - would it have influenced your opinion of her as a witness?


That is why it was a bad idea to think about even considering a deal before the trial.Before Adam leaps in I don't think it would have changed Jeremys testimony though

[lookout]

She obviously knows and would obviously have kept a record of the money and terms of settlement

Why is she refusing to say the date

Erm---------she forgot dates.

[Jane]

I said that a few posts back .

But also explained why it still could have influenced her within the testimony - hence why the rules are in place.

If you were on the jury and you were told during the trial  she had sold the story about the murder of the twins for enough money to buy a small flat - would it have influenced your opinion of her as a witness?


That is why it was a bad idea to think about even considering a deal before the trial.Before Adam leaps in I don't think it would have changed Jeremys testimony though

I'm not really clear on how she'd have got away with altering her testimony, Jan. She would have gone through what she was going to say prior to taking the stand, if she'd altered that in any way whilst being questioned by Jeremy's defence, they'd have jumped on it like a ton of bricks.

I can't give you an honest answer about how I'd have felt as a juror -as you know, Adam still dines out on my dislike of her clothes- but having read CAL's description of her testimony, I doubt if I could have remained unmoved by it.

If you don't think a deal would have changed Jeremy's testimony, I think Julie must be given the same benefit of doubt.

[Jan]

I'm not really clear on how she'd have got away with altering her testimony, Jan. She would have gone through what she was going to say prior to taking the stand, if she'd altered that in any way whilst being questioned by Jeremy's defence, they'd have jumped on it like a ton of bricks.

I can't give you an honest answer about how I'd have felt as a juror -as you know, Adam still dines out on my dislike of her clothes- but having read CAL's description of her testimony, I doubt if I could have remained unmoved by it.

If you don't think a deal would have changed Jeremy's testimony, I think Julie must be given the same benefit of doubt.

Say when it came to court and she was waivering because she knew some of the information was not true - could she have been persuaded to carry on regardless because the money was a carrot to keep on track? As it turns out apparently she was a hard witness to question anyway . So I do think the money was relevant .

Of course it was not to Jeremy - he wasnot going to say he was guilty to get 25000 was he. But the papers should not have made deals with anyone at ALL .

I think the guilters should acknowledge it was important because if the deal was signed before the trial and it had been revealed to all the jurors then a guilty man could have walked free?

[Caroline]

I said that a few posts back .

But also explained why it still could have influenced her within the testimony - hence why the rules are in place.

If you were on the jury and you were told during the trial  she had sold the story about the murder of the twins for enough money to buy a small flat - would it have influenced your opinion of her as a witness?


That is why it was a bad idea to think about even considering a deal before the trial.Before Adam leaps in I don't think it would have changed Jeremys testimony though

Not in the slightest because her statement couldn't have been influenced by the deal and her place as a witness was already a cert long before.

[JackiePreece]

Unless she's hauled into court and answers are demanded, it's her business and no one else's. I'd love to know why Jeremy has kept his silence, all these years, on the subject of Julie. I don't believe she was the love of his life and I don't believe he's remained silence out of chivalry.

Jeremy does not talk about hatred of ANYONE involved
Family or Mugford and I had many conversations

Maybe any of the people who believe him to be guilty and have corresponded with him could prove otherwise

[Jane]

Say when it came to court and she was waivering because she knew some of the information was not true - could she have been persuaded to carry on regardless because the money was a carrot to keep on track? As it turns out apparently she was a hard witness to question anyway . So I do think the money was relevant .

Of course it was not to Jeremy - he wasnot going to say he was guilty to get 25000 was he. But the papers should not have made deals with anyone at ALL .

I think the guilters should acknowledge it was important because if the deal was signed before the trial and it had been revealed to all the jurors then a guilty man could have walked free?

I can only say, that at 20, under the circumstances of having to give evidence in a murder trial, I'd certainly have waivered. I'd have doubted the truth I was telling. I wouldn't have been alone in the witness box. There'd have been me, plus all my psychological baggage. It would have been the same for 20 year old Julie.

[buddy]

I don't believe for one minute that JM was a shrinking violet.
She comes across as really hard nosed, 20 or not.

[buddy]

I wonder if JM gave Liz a cut of the 25 grand, after all it was her that got JM to go to the cops.