Silencer is shrouded in duplicity, contradictions and clandestine activity

[guest2181]

DI Cook dismantled the silencer and took out the baffle plates on the 29th august, This silencer is supposed to have 'a lot' of blood covering 6 baffle plates.

He never reports finding any blood. so we then have to assume he just missed it all 

Hi David, I've replied to your pm.

But for the benefit of others, paragraph 266 onwards of the Dickenson Report provides information which should answer the above question.

There is a link to the Dickenson Report at the bottom of the Statements & Transcripts thread in the archives.

jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1119.0.html

[Jan]

the ilencer wa the main plank of the procution case if its in doubt then the whoe case is.

I do agree with that. And I still don't think all the evidence about the blood and DNA is at all clear .

[nugnug]

in my view the discrpences in its finding put it in doubt.

[David1819]

Hi David, I've replied to your pm.

But for the benefit of others, paragraph 266 onwards of the Dickenson Report provides information which should answer the above question.

There is a link to the Dickenson Report at the bottom of the Statements & Transcripts thread in the archives.

jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1119.0.html

Thank you Hartley

However I have little faith it the honesty and reliability of the Dickenson Report. A post verdict police report written retrospectively with the benefit of hindsight to fill in all the errors and flaws.

[David1819]

I do agree with that. And I still don't think all the evidence about the blood and DNA is at all clear .

DNA and blood groups It does not matter to me anymore. Anyone in the Police office could have taken the Silencer or (Silencers) unscrewed the knurled end cap taken the baffle plates out then gone to the scene of crime fridge to retrieve one of Shelia's bottled blood samples, pour it on the baffle plates then re assemble the silencer then put it back like nothing happened.

Its really that easy. The fact a mans conviction is based on this silencer is a colossal joke.

[Jan]

I would have fought at the time not to have the silencer included because it was removed from the scene , handled by several members of the public in a non forensic manner, handled by the police without gloves , not recorded properly by the CSO and had the exhibit numbers changed. That would be enough for starters.

Also one expert said he could not say 100% that the blood results did not show animal blood and now we see there is a document that says the blood inside could match that of Robert Boutflour? 
Plus no one could agree on the "size" of the blood flake which was the only concrete non circumstancial piece of evidence that convicted him at the time

Its just a mess.

[nugnug]

the fact they cant agrea on the size of the bllood flake is odd.

[Jan]

DNA and blood groups It does not matter to me anymore. Anyone in the Police office could have taken the Silencer or (Silencers) unscrewed the knurled end cap taken the baffle plates out then gone to the scene of crime fridge to retrieve one of Shelia's bottled blood samples, pour it on the baffle plates then re assemble the silencer then put it back like nothing happened.

Its really that easy. The fact a mans conviction is based on this silencer is a colossal joke.

But in that case dates /timings / and exhibit labels and logs are vital . If the silencer and blood were discovered early then why would the police plant the blood when they were quite happy to portray the scene as murder suicide?

If it was later and they did want to change stance for some reason? Pressure? funny handshakes etc? then the blood in the silencer would not be "needed" until later?


There is just something really odd about this case . The silencer "evidence " is purported to be there early on and yet it seemed to be ignored?

[David1819]

But in that case dates /timings / and exhibit labels and logs are vital . If the silencer and blood were discovered early then why would the police plant the blood when they were quite happy to portray the scene as murder suicide?

If it was later and they did want to change stance for some reason? Pressure? funny handshakes etc? then the blood in the silencer would not be "needed" until later?


There is just something really odd about this case . The silencer "evidence " is purported to be there early on and yet it seemed to be ignored?

I have my theories. 

[Steve_uk]

DNA and blood groups It does not matter to me anymore. Anyone in the Police office could have taken the Silencer or (Silencers) unscrewed the knurled end cap taken the baffle plates out then gone to the scene of crime fridge to retrieve one of Shelia's bottled blood samples, pour it on the baffle plates then re assemble the silencer then put it back like nothing happened.

Its really that easy. The fact a mans conviction is based on this silencer is a colossal joke.

But there was June's DNA in the silencer..

[Jan]

But there was June's DNA in the silencer..

But it was said that as the DNA did not come from blood - That any DNA could have come from contamination? 

But no explanation on how that DNA contamination came from someone who was dead? None of it makes sense.

[Jan]

Thank you for putting all that info together. I would like to see the rest of the message from 11 sept. Because I think unfortunately db may have just been chasing up the police as to why the family had not heard anything about the silencer? but I do think the 1991 colp interviews are interesting about the police taking another rifle and silencer from the family to the courts one even came back with an exhibit label. Even the family did not know why?

correction two silencers .

[JackiePreece]

Absolutely