Two Doctors were called out to the scene with a view to sectioning Sheila...

[mike tesko]

I received information from David Shaw that two doctors were summoned to the scene, with a view to sectioning off Sheila under the mental health act at the time police at the scene were negotiating with her...

One of these doctors was a Dr Harris...

[Roch]

I received information from David Shaw that two doctors were summoned to the scene, with a view to sectioning off Sheila under the mental health act at the time police at the scene were negotiating with her...

One of these doctors was a Dr Harris...

How does Shaw get his info?  Is there a canary among EP?  Why has Dr. Harris kept quiet? And could his alleged call-out have simply been the result of Jeremy's information to the police about Sheila's mental health?

[mike tesko]

I received information from David Shaw that two doctors were summoned to the scene, with a view to sectioning off Sheila under the mental health act at the time police at the scene were negotiating with her...

One of these doctors was a Dr Harris...

How does Shaw get his info?  Is there a canary among EP?  Why has Dr. Harris kept quiet? And could his alleged call-out have simply been the result of Jeremy's information to the police about Sheila's mental health?

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Perhaps you should contact David Shaw and ask him  yourself?

Lets look at the bigger picture - we have Sheila allegedly going berserk inside whf armed with a loaded gun, and the police are held at bay because of her behavior and the threat she posed to them and to the other members of the family she was holding hostage. According to the evidence, it was not until about 8:41am, that the police surgeon, Dr Craig turns up at the farmhouse to verify death - in all the interim time since the police first got there at about 3:48am, there is no evidence that a doctor was called out to the scene?

Odd...

Now, when I was in touch with David Shaw about this case, he confirmed that a Dr Harris was at the scene, yet there is absolutely no evidence anywhere to confirm this, and what I want to know is why?

Was Dr Harris involved in trying to negotiate with Sheila to give herself up, and to release the others?

[mike tesko]

Does anyone know of a DR Harris that was connected with the Bamber family, or with Sheila's illness?

[Roch]

I received information from David Shaw that two doctors were summoned to the scene, with a view to sectioning off Sheila under the mental health act at the time police at the scene were negotiating with her...

One of these doctors was a Dr Harris...

How does Shaw get his info?  Is there a canary among EP?  Why has Dr. Harris kept quiet? And could his alleged call-out have simply been the result of Jeremy's information to the police about Sheila's mental health?

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Perhaps you should contact David Shaw and ask him  yourself?

Lets look at the bigger picture - we have Sheila allegedly going berserk inside whf armed with a loaded gun, and the police are held at bay because of her behavior and the threat she posed to them and to the other members of the family she was holding hostage. According to the evidence, it was not until about 8:41am, that the police surgeon, Dr Craig turns up at the farmhouse to verify death - in all the interim time since the police first got there at about 3:48am, there is no evidence that a doctor was called out to the scene?

Odd...

Now, when I was in touch with David Shaw about this case, he confirmed that a Dr Harris was at the scene, yet there is absolutely no evidence anywhere to confirm this, and what I want to know is why?

Was Dr Harris involved in trying to negotiate with Sheila to give herself up, and to release the others?

I wasn't aware that David Shaw was contactable or still researching the case in any capacity. But thanks for the tip. I will try to find his contact details.

[mike tesko]

I received information from David Shaw that two doctors were summoned to the scene, with a view to sectioning off Sheila under the mental health act at the time police at the scene were negotiating with her...

One of these doctors was a Dr Harris...

How does Shaw get his info?  Is there a canary among EP?  Why has Dr. Harris kept quiet? And could his alleged call-out have simply been the result of Jeremy's information to the police about Sheila's mental health?

------------------

Perhaps you should contact David Shaw and ask him  yourself?

Lets look at the bigger picture - we have Sheila allegedly going berserk inside whf armed with a loaded gun, and the police are held at bay because of her behavior and the threat she posed to them and to the other members of the family she was holding hostage. According to the evidence, it was not until about 8:41am, that the police surgeon, Dr Craig turns up at the farmhouse to verify death - in all the interim time since the police first got there at about 3:48am, there is no evidence that a doctor was called out to the scene?

Odd...

Now, when I was in touch with David Shaw about this case, he confirmed that a Dr Harris was at the scene, yet there is absolutely no evidence anywhere to confirm this, and what I want to know is why?

Was Dr Harris involved in trying to negotiate with Sheila to give herself up, and to release the others?

I wasn't aware that David Shaw was contactable or still researching the case in any capacity. But thanks for the tip. I will try to find his contact details.

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By reference to the involvement of a Dr Harris, when David Shaw first mentioned this to me, I tried to question him to find out more on the role Dr Harris played at the scene, because I was assured that he did attend the scene, but Mr Shaw did not elaborate further on this...

[Kaldin]

That's interesting. I haven't heard about this, but the police didn't know if if any of them were still alive, so it would make sense for a doctor to be called just in case Sheila was in there holding them hostage or something.

[smiffy]

It would have been prudent for the police to cater for all likely eventualities on the knowledge they had at the time prior to entering the farmhouse.
It does allow for persons being alive or a belief in that being the case and that it had not been excluded.

[Roch]

I received information from David Shaw that two doctors were summoned to the scene, with a view to sectioning off Sheila under the mental health act at the time police at the scene were negotiating with her...

One of these doctors was a Dr Harris...

How does Shaw get his info?  Is there a canary among EP?  Why has Dr. Harris kept quiet? And could his alleged call-out have simply been the result of Jeremy's information to the police about Sheila's mental health?

------------------

Perhaps you should contact David Shaw and ask him  yourself?

Lets look at the bigger picture - we have Sheila allegedly going berserk inside whf armed with a loaded gun, and the police are held at bay because of her behavior and the threat she posed to them and to the other members of the family she was holding hostage. According to the evidence, it was not until about 8:41am, that the police surgeon, Dr Craig turns up at the farmhouse to verify death - in all the interim time since the police first got there at about 3:48am, there is no evidence that a doctor was called out to the scene?

Odd...

Now, when I was in touch with David Shaw about this case, he confirmed that a Dr Harris was at the scene, yet there is absolutely no evidence anywhere to confirm this, and what I want to know is why?

Was Dr Harris involved in trying to negotiate with Sheila to give herself up, and to release the others?

I wasn't aware that David Shaw was contactable or still researching the case in any capacity. But thanks for the tip. I will try to find his contact details.

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By reference to the involvement of a Dr Harris, when David Shaw first mentioned this to me, I tried to question him to find out more on the role Dr Harris played at the scene, because I was assured that he did attend the scene, but Mr Shaw did not elaborate further on this...

This Shaw character really puzzles me.  Cant find anything about him on google.  Was he some kind of journalistic, private investigator in the mould of 'Ron Cook' on this forum?  :D   

I'm going back to lurking until after the CCRC decision which I feel is not going to make a lot of people happy.  If this happens, maybe jeremy will be able to seek a judicial review of the decision in light of the photographic negatives issue.   

Pipe dreams...but I think we need some kind of South African-style 'truth and reconciliation commission' for this case.  A one that preserves any immunity from prosectution, previously awarded to police officers and others.  This could pave the way for the withheld information to be released... So that finally... we could learn what really happened, when armed police and their colleagues entered the farmhouse that August morning. 

Then the ghosts of what happened could be laid to rest and perhaps a man could be set free and somehow compensated for being buried alive.  In the film The Man in the Iron Mask (1976), the villain ends up swapping his fate with the wronged man.  I feel in this case, if Jeremy Bamber is the 'wrong man', he can only be set free if the 'villains' are pardoned in advance of coughing up....

[chochokeira]

Does anyone know of a DR Harris that was connected with the Bamber family, or with Sheila's illness?

Why do so many of those involved with this case have such common names? Jones  1, Jones 2, Harris: searching for names like that is brain damaging. If I tell you that there are around three pages devoted to Harris in every historic telephone directory and umpteen pages covering Jones, that will give you an idea of how brain damaging a search for people with such surnames is.

I've found numerous Dr Harris's in the historic directories for London and Surrey and just a few in Essex. I don't suppose anyone has Harris's christian name or location? That might help to narrow the search down.

The problem is, however, that a psychiatrist might not have been listed under 'Dr'.

Dr DE Harris, Windsor 1980s
Dr E Harris, Kew 1979
Dr G Harris, Carshalton 1979
Dr Harris, Purley 1978
Dr AP Harris, Pinner 1973
Dr T E Harris, engagement & marriage London (Times) 1986
Dr A N G Harris marriage 1986 (Times)  Westminster
Dr A W Harris engagement 1987 (Times) Marden, Kent
Dr RJC Harris, W5 1950
Dr R Harris, NW3 1951
Dr G Harris SE19 1952
Dr H Harris NW8 1952
Dr Harris, Brixton 1956
Dr Harris, Primrose Hill 1955
Dr R J Harris, Osterley (London?) 1960
Dr Harris, Palmers Green 1964
Dr Harris, Weybridge, Surrey 1965
Dr Harris, Hainalt, Essex 1966

I wonder if the British Psychological Society might have any info?

http://www.bps.org.uk/

[sc82]

Who is David Shaw and whats his connection to the case?