Forensic evidence on Sheila:

[Adam]

The 2002 report has some interesting points, which I have highlighted.

It badly undermines Bamber.

[maggie]

Probably went downwards, ( the gullet )-----gravity and all that if her head was tilted against the bedside cupboard.

If Sheila was lying flat on her back the blood would flow down her throat, I am in no doubt of that.
If she had been conscious she would have moved her head instinctively to the side if she was able trying to stop the choking feeling. 
If she wasn't able to she may have managed to move her body to the side to alleviate the choking feeling and let the blood flow out of the side of her mouth and maybe down that right side of her shoulder and under her arm?  At that point she may have fainted again and lay there until she was rolled into a different position and shot again?

[Jane]

That's fine. You believe Sheila slept with June.

You seem to think I do. To the best of my knowledge, being in the same bedroom as another person, doesn't necessarily constitute sleeping with them. It does seem that some of both June's and Sheila's clothes were in the master bedroom and Sheila was found there.

[Jan]

Anyway. The 2002 report on Sheila's forensic condition which my thread was about.

As my thread post shows it all points to Bamber. But maybe it doesn't. Over to the supporters.

oh - and heres another one.

[susan]

oh - and heres another one.

I cannot find the post I made to Jan last night saying it was a shame she did not spend much time on the forum as she contributed so much.  Other posts relating to Jan are there maybe I made the post in my sleep and I have just woken up.

[susan]

I cannot find the post I made to Jan last night saying it was a shame she did not spend much time on the forum as she contributed so much.  Other posts relating to Jan are there maybe I made the post in my sleep and I have just woken up.

think it has been removed and I cannot think why it was not a nasty or abusive post at all I see Mat's reply to Jan's post is still on

[Adam]

46. From the pathological evidence alone, the pathologist could not say, one way or the other, whether Mrs Caffell had been murdered or had taken her own life.

47. The firearms officers who were the first to see her body noted that her feet and hands were "perfectly clean". Her fingernails were well manicured and not broken and there were no marks or indentations on any of her fingers. All her fingertips were clean and free from any blood, dirt or powder and there appeared to be no trace of any lead dust or coating which is usual when handling .22 ammunition.

My apologies, I missed this bit out from the 2002 appeal in my thread post.

This obviously highlights that Sheila had not been fighting and shooting.

[maggie]

I cannot find the post I made to Jan last night saying it was a shame she did not spend much time on the forum as she contributed so much.  Other posts relating to Jan are there maybe I made the post in my sleep and I have just woken up.

Susan, I'm afraid I removed that when removing other post earlier today.  I am sorry it was included but I needed to do that as the post you quoted did need removing, obviously there was nothing wrong with your particular post it just got caught up in the general stuff.
I apologise if this is a problem, unfortunately it does happen sometimes.

[susan]

Susan, I'm afraid I removed that when removing other post earlier today.  I am sorry it was included but I needed to do that as the post you quoted did need removing, obviously there was nothing wrong with your particular post it just got caught up in the general stuff.
I apologise if this is a problem, unfortunately it does happen sometimes.

no problem Maggie thanks for the explanation I was just curious where it had gone.

[lookout]

Experts were disagreeing at one stage during Sheila's inquest. Mr Ismail had stated that there was blood on Sheila's right hand which had transferred onto her nightdress.Mr Vanezis stated that there was no blood on Sheila's right hand.

What is anyone supposed to believe when you have two experts who don't even agree ?

[Caroline]

Experts were disagreeing at one stage during Sheila's inquest. Mr Ismail had stated that there was blood on Sheila's right hand which had transferred onto her nightdress.Mr Vanezis stated that there was no blood on Sheila's right hand.

What is anyone supposed to believe when you have two experts who don't even agree ?

Where is that from? I don't see how they could be disagreeing, when Venezis wrote that her right hand had blood on it.

[lookout]

Where is that from? I don't see how they could be disagreeing, when Venezis wrote that her right hand had blood on it.

This was taken from a paragraph of a document in the 2002 appeal.

[lookout]

I remember being " mobbed " on here when I dared to mention that Sheila had a £40,000 drug debt.
How do you all feel that CAL had written just that in her book ? I suppose you'll all argue that she's wrong ? And if so,what else is she wrong about ?
I hadn't known about the " string of burglaries from country houses ",but if I'd even hinted at that,I'd have been banned from the forum !!

[Adam]

I remember being " mobbed " on here when I dared to mention that Sheila had a £40,000 drug debt.
How do you all feel that CAL had written just that in her book ? I suppose you'll all argue that she's wrong ? And if so,what else is she wrong about ?
I hadn't known about the " string of burglaries from country houses ",but if I'd even hinted at that,I'd have been banned from the forum !!

Have you got CAL's book ?

Jan has read it and did not mention this. What drugs was she taking ?

Most recreational drugs make you either drowsy or hyper. But certainly un cordinated and unable to function.

[Jane]

I remember being " mobbed " on here when I dared to mention that Sheila had a £40,000 drug debt.
How do you all feel that CAL had written just that in her book ? I suppose you'll all argue that she's wrong ? And if so,what else is she wrong about ?
I hadn't known about the " string of burglaries from country houses ",but if I'd even hinted at that,I'd have been banned from the forum !!

She has indeed included that but I don't recall that she stated it as a proven fact -I'm certain she wouldn't have been that expansive- I think it was along the lines of it having been rumoured. It wasn't explored, which makes me think she put as much credence on it as I.

I have just been through the index and looked at all listings re her drug use. It isn't listed. I flicked through the book looking for the paragraph which mentioned it. So far I haven't found it although I recall seeing it. What I DON'T recall seeing was the legend that there had been "a string of burglaries from country houses" for which Sheila was responsible.