Author Topic: The rifle at the upstairs window Conundrum - The Bamber Alibi, revisted...  (Read 98078 times)

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So what is mikes answer to this?

Probably something like: ****** off you ******** head ******* and die!  :-\

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Probably something like: ****** off you ******** head ******* and die!  :-\
that is quite a mouthful hartley.i hope his explaination is better than that.

guest2181

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that is quite a mouthful hartley.i hope his explaination is better than that.

Hehe, yes let's hope. Posting from previous experiences, that's all.  ;)

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that is quite a mouthful hartley.i hope his explaination is better than that.

I once told someone who used to keep challenging mikes theories, That challenging him was like playing chess with a chicken, you could be the best chess player in the world but the chicken will just knock all the pieces over and claim victory

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I once told someone who used to keep challenging mikes theories, That challenging him was like playing chess with a chicken, you could be the best chess player in the world but the chicken will just knock all the pieces over and claim victory

 ;D

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I once told someone who used to keep challenging mikes theories, That challenging him was like playing chess with a chicken, you could be the best chess player in the world but the chicken will just knock all the pieces over and claim victory
i like that phrase david

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i like that phrase david

I said, i think I'm going to have to have a word with the forum moderators and ask them to do an Anne Robinson on you...
“The only people who are mad at you for telling the truth are those people who are living a lie. Keep telling the truth"

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I said, i think I'm going to have to have a word with the forum moderators and ask them to do an Anne Robinson on you...
as you wish .but iam not going to answer anymore of your posts.goodnight.you can talk to your self now.
« Last Edit: December 23, 2015, 01:21:AM by sami »

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Your saying I should interpret the first sentence what Jeapes sais as saying the box room when Jeapes does not even know where the kitchen is or seems to be confused between the what door is which. then I should conveniently ignore the second sentence describing the gun leaning against the window upstairs. Then conveniently ignore the photo showing exactly what Jeapes described as a bizzare coincidence?

I'm not very confident in accepting this  ::)

It is true that WPC Jeapes account is somewhat confusing as to the exact window to which she is referring to when she makes mention of seeing 'the' rifle. One clue which stands out is that she was at the 'corner' of the farmhouse, which she has described as 'White / Red'. She appears to be confused by which side was 'White side', and which was 'Red side'. But she does mention that she was standing at the corner of that part of the building which is cladded in grey brick. So, based on that information, she could have had a view of ' the main bedroom window', on 'Red side', and a view of the 'box room window' on 'White side', from 'that' vantage point. If she was referring to a rifle at the 'box room window' any such rifle would have had to be resting against the 'left hand side' of the 'box room Window', as viewed from her vantage point at the corner of 'White / Red', whereas, from the same vantage point, she could only have seen such a rifle on the 'right hand side' of the 'main bedroom window'...

The fact that 'the rifle' is photographed at 23, leaning against the main bedroom window, before 'it' was later removed and planted onto Sheila's body, and only then was 'it' photographed with Sheila's body, as per the photographs, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33, is more than a simple coincidence. The chief feature, as far as I can tell, is not really 'which' window Jeapes actually saw the rifle leaning against, but rather that 'the rifle in photograph No. 23, was without doubt or question, photographed, there at the ' main bedroom window, before 'it' was photographed, upon Sheila's body, in sequential order'...

That is ' a fact'...

The sequence with which those '9 key photographs' were taken, 'confirms' this to be an absolute truth...

I have already posted up the photographic records which support this matter, and nobody can alter the 'fact' that 'the rifle' was photographed resting near to the main bedroom window, 'before' somebody took 'it' from there and decided to position 'it' on Sheila's body and to photograph it there. This is the true explanation about 'movement of the gun' from the bedroom window onto the body. What this means, is that the sequence of 8 consecutive photographs, these being photograph numbers, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33, 'do not' show the true position of Sheila's body on the bedroom floor, with the rifle in her possession, as could have been found by firearms officers, as per their witness statement versions which set the positions of the bodies at the time of discovery as having been one body downstairs, the other four bodies being found upstairs, of which they claim Sheila's had been one of the four bodies found upstairs. Of course, by a reliance upon the police radio message log account, two bodies were found in the kitchen, and only three bodies found upstairs. By reliance on this account, Sheila's body had to have been the reference to a dead female, who had apparently committed suicide, downstairs in the kitchen, the same room where Ralph Bamber was murdered ('the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female found upon entry to the kitchen'). With Sheila being reported as having been found dead downstairs in the kitchen, how then had the rifle at whichever upstairs window been used to shoot her downstairs in the kitchen?

How can she possibly have committed 'suicide' downstairs in the kitchen before 7.45am, with use of 'the rifle which from 7.15am, onward, had been resting against a window upstairs' in another part of the farmhouse?

That 'first' shot, bullet PV/20, was 'badly fragmented' and had broken into at least 15 pieces when part of it was Xrayed, and then recovered from her body during autopsy, performed by pathologist, Peter Venezis, on 7th August 1985. However, by the 20th September a 'different' bullet had been introduced, a bullet described by the ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher, as ' a whole bullet', which Fletcher was able to state 'had' been fired through the rifle at the time Sheila was shot across the neck. But, as far as I know, bullets don't grow whole again, once they have been shattered into at least 15 separate pieces. Therefore, I say, and it is the absolute truth, there is 'no need' for me to make anything up, there is clearly a huge suspicion that Essex police and its ballistics expert, and the pathologist, have all been involved 'in a joint enterprise' with a view to presenting 'a whole bullet', when the original PV/20 had been a badly fragmented one, and that this was done so that it could be argued that the very same rifle had fired both the shots (bullets PV/20 and PV/19) which wounded and killed Sheila Caffell - but it was all a lie...
« Last Edit: December 23, 2015, 07:42:AM by mike tesko »
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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..or her husband ordered her to remain silent. Strange that we haven't heard a whiff from her in thirty years..


Whoa Steve!!!!  A husband forbidding his wife to speak :o That sounds like something from the dark ages. I don't really see why we should have heard anything from her. She may well be of the opinion that there is nothing she can say that hasn't already been said OR that she's required to explain herself. Personally, if anyone came forward, at this stage, I MIGHT think they were trying to cover up.

Just an aside, and certainly not aimed at you, Steve. It may be worth remembering that the job of the police ended when they got Jeremy referred to court. It was the legal process which convicted him. I don't feel that there's any necessity for EP to give ANY further explanation. I imagine that any involved with the case are, by now, deceased or incapable of clear recollection. Anything the current force MAY say would be their own opinion based on present police practice.

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Nothing quite like selective dementia. Especially when it comes to remembering or not remembering things that happened in the past. BW had a " lapse " of her memory.

Usually it's the things from the past that are remembered !

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Nothing quite like selective dementia. Especially when it comes to remembering or not remembering things that happened in the past. BW had a " lapse " of her memory.

Usually it's the things from the past that are remembered !


You can ONLY remember things from the past, you can't remember it if it hasn't happened yet!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Few people have the imagination for reality

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You can ONLY remember things from the past, you can't remember it if it hasn't happened yet!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D






But some have a habit of remembering things that DIDN'T happen. Hahahahahaha.HA !

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But some have a habit of remembering things that DIDN'T happen. Hahahahahaha.HA !


I expect you do, Lookout. Never mind, eh? If there's no one who can correct you, who can prove you wrong when there's just a chance you could be right? :)) :)) :))

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I expect you do, Lookout. Never mind, eh? If there's no one who can correct you, who can prove you wrong when there's just a chance you could be right? :)) :)) :))





There's always someone somewhere lurking in the shadows. You're never alone with a Hamlet. ;D ;D ;D