The rifle at the upstairs window Conundrum - The Bamber Alibi, revisted...

[susan]

there were strange things happening that morning .bewes first thinking some one was at the window .wpc jeapes thinking she had seen a rifle at the window.plus the wrong report that a womans body was in the kitchen.

sami
I quite agree and why did Taff Jones say 4 murders one suicide after inspecting the crime scene he was a very experienced cop and one would have not expected him to come to that decision so quickly.

[Jane]

Eye witness account of rifle besides window + crime scene photo of rifle in the exact same place as eye witness account stated.

Why bother trying to make up excuses for something beyond dispute?

David!!!!!!!!!!! What on earth make you think I'm in "the river" regarding the rifle somewhere near the window? I can see for myself that there's a rifle somewhere near the window. The picture shows me that there's a rifle somewhere near the window but from where that rifle is positioned in the picture I have real doubts about whether Jeapes could have seen it from where she was standing. Trouble is, David, I've been involved in enough photo shoots in my time to know I have to ask questions about what I see portrayed and I've seen enough hammy pictures on this forum to know that not everything presented as true, actually is. The first question I have to ask is WHEN was the rifle positioned thus? Then, who believed it necessary to pull the curtains back to where they were in order to position the rifle?

[sami]

Police state Sheila had clean hands, but she didn't, she had blood on her hands, and that blood was blood from the other victims that 'she' shot. Only one of the victims had blood on their hands and that was Sheila Caffell.Police went out of their way to try to deceive the jury that her hands were spotlessly clean, but we know they were saturated in blood, bloodied fingers which left trace evidence on the front lower part of her nightdress, on the pages of the bible, and there's a 50 / 50 chance the bloody fingermarks found on the edge of the worktop downstairs in the kitchen, were made by Sheila when she was reloading the gun with additional bullets, or as the case may be, when Ralph was making his call to Jeremy and the police at around 03.25 / 03.26am...

was there a bloodie hand print found on the wallpaper in the stair passage near the kitchen

[David1819]

what is beyond dispute.which eyewitness saw the rifle from outside whf.if your talking about wpc reapes than how could the rifle she saw in the window still be there and photos taken of it .who put it there sheila after shooting herself twice.photos  of the rifle taken after entry to whf mean nothing

Shelia could not have put it there after she shot herself twice. There were several guns kept in the gun cupboard including Anthony Pargeter's rifle. Put two and two together then you realise two rifles were used.

Unless you want to believe Mikes theory that Shelia left the rifle by the window then police shot her 

[sami]

Eye witness account of rifle besides window + crime scene photo of rifle in the exact same place as eye witness account stated.

Why bother trying to make up excuses for something beyond dispute?

its a bit funny .you say the rifle is in the exact place wpc reaves saw it and the photo proves it .but explain to me if that rifle never moved from the window how did sheila shoot herself twice and than replaced that rifle in the same place by the widow.she was dead on the floor.very funny david.i see i will have to read your posts with awareness.good laugh though

[sami]

Shelia could not have put it there after she shot herself twice. There were several guns kept in the gun cupboard including Anthony Pargeter's rifle. Put two and two together then you realise two rifles were used.

Unless you want to believe Mikes theory that Shelia left the rifle by the window then police shot her 

we know that was the murder weapon blood and the broken stock.why would sheila play musical chairs with the rifles at whf .i mean why and how .sheila shoots herself dead with some other rifle than places it in the gun cupboard'than picks up the auto rifle and places it by the window or on herself.impossible.did mike say why the police would pick the rifle up from the window and shoot her.because mikes theory makes sheila still alive when found .why not phone an ambulance insted of trying to stage the rifle back on the body and shooting her by mistake.jb is the coldblooded killer.NOT.the police

[David1819]

we know that was the murder weapon blood and the broken stock.why would sheila plat musical chairs with the rifles at whf .i mean why and how .sheila shoots herself dead with some other rifle than places it in the gun cupboard'than picks up the auto rifle and places it by the window or on herself.impossible.did mike say why the police would pick the rifle up from the window and shoot her

If you actually thought it through instead of jumping to an impossible conclusion, The sequence of events would be Shelia runs out of ammunition in one rifle, then gets another rifle from the cupboard before she kills herself. Its rather easy to work out.

[sami]

If you actually thought it through instead of jumping to an impossible conclusion, The sequence of events would be Shelia runs out of ammunition in one rifle, then gets another rifle from the cupboard before she kills herself. Its rather easy to work out.

ha ha ha ha ha that scenario is very funny.i hope your not serious.she takes the one that has run out of ammo back to the gun cupboard and picks another.all done while in a crazy rage.its what nevill told jb sheilas gone crazy.why did she not just reload the first rifle.after all she would have had to load the second one.NO firearms left in  whf were loaded.being a ex magistrate nevill would not have broken the law by keep a loaded weapon in whf

[susan]

ha ha ha ha ha that scenario is very funny.i hope your not serious.she takes the one that has run out of ammo back to the gun cupboard and picks another.all done while in a crazy rage.its what nevill told jb sheilas gone crazy.why did she not just reload the first rifle.after all she would have had to load the second one.NO firearms left in  whf were loaded.being a ex magistrate nevill would not have broken the law by keep a loaded weapon in whf

sami would this scenario fit if Jeremy was the killer?

[lemonhead]

If you actually thought it through instead of jumping to an impossible conclusion, The sequence of events would be Shelia runs out of ammunition in one rifle, then gets another rifle from the cupboard before she kills herself. Its rather easy to work out.

Last week some said they hope I will stop lurking and post more. People like you are why I don't bother.  When people post you rudely attack them. In this topic you just accused people of jumping to impossible conclusions and living in denial.

There was only a single rifle at the farm.  The other firearms were shotguns. That single rifle was use to fire all bullets that injured the victims.  The shotguns were not used.  Your suggestion of Sheila using another rifle is what is an impossible conclusion under the circumstances. 

You did the same thing when you suggested people were living in denial for ignoring that WPS Jeapes saw the murder weapon in the window of the bedroom.  Countless times it has been discussed here that WPS Jeapes was looking in the window of the boxroom not the bedroom window.  Her statement at most establishes she was something that looked like a rifle barrel in the boxroom window.  Instead of being rude to people perhaps you would be better served by considering the actual facts. It is an impossibility that WPS Jeapes saw the murder weapon or anything else in the bedroom window given she was not in a position to even see the bedroom window and was referring to the boxroom window.

All I can say to those here who have the patience to challenge rude supporters who post the same false claims ad nauseam, is you are amazing chaps. 

[sami]

sami would this scenario fit if Jeremy was the killer?

susan.its just my opinion.but i dont think he would be running back and forth from the back office changing rifles. i feel he would have carried the ammo on him and only used the rifle found.it was the best weapon to kill with being a semi auto.so the answer is no it wouldnt fit jb

[Adam]

I like 'The Matrix'

When they run out of ammo on one gun, they chuck it and just start using another one which is on their person. While at the same time dodging bullets.

Neo really was 'The one'. But could he take on Luke Skywalker ?

[Jan]

Last week some said they hope I will stop lurking and post more. People like you are why I don't bother.  When people post you rudely attack them. In this topic you just accused people of jumping to impossible conclusions and living in denial.

There was only a single rifle at the farm.  The other firearms were shotguns. That single rifle was use to fire all bullets that injured the victims.  The shotguns were not used.  Your suggestion of Sheila using another rifle is what is an impossible conclusion under the circumstances. 

You did the same thing when you suggested people were living in denial for ignoring that WPS Jeapes saw the murder weapon in the window of the bedroom.  Countless times it has been discussed here that WPS Jeapes was looking in the window of the boxroom not the bedroom window.  Her statement at most establishes she was something that looked like a rifle barrel in the boxroom window.  Instead of being rude to people perhaps you would be better served by considering the actual facts. It is an impossibility that WPS Jeapes saw the murder weapon or anything else in the bedroom window given she was not in a position to even see the bedroom window and was referring to the boxroom window.

All I can say to those here who have the patience to challenge rude supporters who post the same false claims ad nauseam, is you are amazing chaps.

 :)David is one of the more polite posters on here.

[sami]

Last week some said they hope I will stop lurking and post more. People like you are why I don't bother.  When people post you rudely attack them. In this topic you just accused people of jumping to impossible conclusions and living in denial.

There was only a single rifle at the farm.  The other firearms were shotguns. That single rifle was use to fire all bullets that injured the victims.  The shotguns were not used.  Your suggestion of Sheila using another rifle is what is an impossible conclusion under the circumstances. 

You did the same thing when you suggested people were living in denial for ignoring that WPS Jeapes saw the murder weapon in the window of the bedroom.  Countless times it has been discussed here that WPS Jeapes was looking in the window of the boxroom not the bedroom window.  Her statement at most establishes she was something that looked like a rifle barrel in the boxroom window.  Instead of being rude to people perhaps you would be better served by considering the actual facts. It is an impossibility that WPS Jeapes saw the murder weapon or anything else in the bedroom window given she was not in a position to even see the bedroom window and was referring to the boxroom window.

All I can say to those here who have the patience to challenge rude supporters who post the same false claims ad nauseam, is you are amazing chaps.

very well said lemonhead.every ones view is they opinion.so being rude to someone will only stop them posting.and we will all be the poorer for that 'by reading all opinions our knowledge will grow .so very good point.

[guest7363]

If you actually thought it through instead of jumping to an impossible conclusion, The sequence of events would be Shelia runs out of ammunition in one rifle, then gets another rifle from the cupboard before she kills herself. Its rather easy to work out.

. I think you have been watching too many Rambo films David? Why would the police hide the fact Sheila used another rifle?