Author Topic: The rifle at the upstairs window Conundrum - The Bamber Alibi, revisted...  (Read 98074 times)

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Offline mike tesko

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For a long time now, there has been much speculation concerning which upstairs window WPC Julia Jeapes, saw the rifle leaning against a window on the first floor whilst she was at the corner of the farmhouse, covering White / Red sides, at the grey brick part of the building. So, this thread is being introduced so that the true whereabouts of that rifle can be accurately pinpointed, and any implications of "its presence there" just prior to armed officers forcing their way into the kitchen at around 7.37am, and 'it' ending up on Sheila's body in photographs, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, and 33, after the rifle had "previously"  been photographed against the main bedroom window, in photograph 23...
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Once entry into the farmhouse was made, nobody reports seeing, or finding, or making safe, any rifle at the box room window situated on the first floor. So, if the rifle had been there beforehand (say at 7.15am) what happened to 'that' rifle, at the box room window?

Who moved it?

When was it moved?

What happened to it?
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Photograph 23 shows "the rifle" leaning against the main bedroom before police took it from there and brought it to the body of Sheila Caffell, to use in a 'gauging exercise' to verify whether or not it could be argued that she had shot herself...
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Photograph 23 shows "the rifle" leaning against the main bedroom before police took it from there and brought it to the body of Sheila Caffell, to use in a 'gauging exercise' to verify whether or not it could be argued that she had shot herself...

But, if this rifle had actually been resting against the box window on White side of the farmhouse, as described by WPC Julia Jeapes, at 7.15am, how did it end up resting at the main bedroom window in time for PC Bird to photograph it there as per photo' No. 23, before police brought the rifle from "there", and placed it on Shela's body, so that PC Bird could photograph that rifle on her body, as in photo's 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33, and later on rely upon those same images which show the rifle on Sheila's body as though her death scene was photographed before anything was moved or touched, but it wasn't...
« Last Edit: December 15, 2015, 02:00:PM by mike tesko »
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Until now, there has been confusion about which window 'the rifle' was seen at by WPC Jeapes, and any significance this must have had depending upon which window was being spoken about - but it makes no difference which window we are taking about, since if it was seen at an upstairs window prior to the firearm officers entering the building via the rear external farmhouse door, exactly how and under what circumstance could that rifle have managed to end up on top of Sheila Caffell within half an hour or so, of WPC Jeapes seeing 'it' at one of the windows at the corner of White / Red?
« Last Edit: December 15, 2015, 02:16:PM by mike tesko »
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So, just to recap, rifle is at window on first floor at 7.15am, and according to the witness statements of firearm officers, the same rifle was in Sheila's possession on the bedroom floor...

How did the rifle get from the window onto Sheila's body, in the limited time scale between 'it' being sighted at whichever upstairs window by WPC Jeapes at 7.15am, and the alleged first discovery of Sheila's body upstairs, which appears to be narrowed down to the latest time possible of 8.10am, when police passed a message from inside the farmhouse stating, "five dead, in total"...

How then did the rifle manage to get onto Sheila's body from whichever first floor window between 7.15am and 8.10am?

Only Sheila had the opportunity to move 'the rifle' from 'that window', during this all important period, therefore, Jeremy could not possibly have killed his sister with use of that rifle, for all the reasons given...
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So, just to recap, rifle is at window on first floor at 7.15am, and according to the witness statements of firearm officers, the same rifle was in Sheila's possession on the bedroom floor...

How did the rifle get from the window onto Sheila's body, in the limited time scale between 'it' being sighted at whichever upstairs window by WPC Jeapes at 7.15am, and the alleged first discovery of Sheila's body upstairs, which appears to be narrowed down to the latest time possible of 8.10am, when police passed a message from inside the farmhouse stating, "five dead, in total"...

How then did the rifle manage to get onto Sheila's body from whichever first floor window between 7.15am and 8.10am?

Only Sheila had the opportunity to move 'the rifle' from 'that window', during this all important period, therefore, Jeremy could not possibly have killed his sister with use of that rifle, for all the reasons given...

Jememy Bamber, therefore, enjoys the benefit of the 'perfect alibi'...
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WPC Jeapes witness statement which makes mention of the rifle at a first floor window was not disclosed until after the failed 2002 appeal...
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WPC Jeapes witness statement which makes mention of the rifle at a first floor window was not disclosed until after the failed 2002 appeal...
The bigger picture begins to emerge once you start putting together different pieces of the jigsaw. Essex police sought to hide away from Bambers legal team the fact that the rifle which was photographed on Sheila's body by PC Bird after 10 O'clock, had 2 hours and 45 minutes earlier, been seen resting against a first floor window by WPC Jeapes...
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The bigger picture begins to emerge once you start putting together different pieces of the jigsaw. Essex police sought to hide away from Bambers legal team the fact that the rifle which was photographed on Sheila's body by PC Bird after 10 O'clock, had 2 hours and 45 minutes earlier, been seen resting against a first floor window by WPC Jeapes...

Imagine the impact upon Bambers case, had it been disclosed in the build up to the trial, that police had seen a rifle at a first floor window, prior to police going into the farmhouse, had ended up with the body of Sheila at the point of first discovery prior to 8.10am?
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Rifle moves from first floor window, onto Sheila Caffells body - So, exactly how did that occurr?
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Rifle moves from first floor window, onto Sheila Caffells body - So, exactly how did that occurr?

How could Jeremy have played any role whatsoever in putting 'that' rifle from the first floor window, onto Sheila's body, between 7.15 and 8.10am?
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How could Jeremy have played any role whatsoever in putting 'that' rifle from the first floor window, onto Sheila's body, between 7.15 and 8.10am?

Oh I agree, he couldn't - he did it after he shot her hours before.
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Oh I agree, he couldn't - he did it after he shot her hours before.

Why would Jeremy have shot his sister hours before hand , and just to make it look like she had killed herself on the floor of the main bedroom with use of the anshuzt rifle, he places it either at the the main bedroom window, or worse still he places the rifle in the window of the box room, because he must have known police would bring the rifle from the window of whichever room and plant it on his sisters body, and then photograph the rifle in her possession, yes, of course he did...
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Now, according to The firearm officers who entered the farmhouse, they did not find "the rifle" which 15 minutes earlier had been resting against a first floor window, They did not find 'it' resting against the box room window, and according to them they did not find 'it' resting against the main bedroom window. They all claim the 'rifle' was found on top of Sheila's body, every single one of them, all potential alibi witnesses, capable of proving beyond reasonable doubt that Sheila must have been, that Sheila was almost 'certainly' still very much alive inside the farmhouse after WPC Julia Jeapes had spotted 'the rifle'  leaning against whichever first floor window...
« Last Edit: January 09, 2016, 10:30:AM by mike tesko »
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