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Offline Adam

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Forensic evidence of June:
« on: December 14, 2015, 06:39:PM »
From the 2002 appeal.

43. Mrs Bamber was bare footed and dressed in a nightdress. She had received seven gunshot wounds, of which one to her forehead and one to the right side of the head would have caused death very quickly. She also suffered shots to the right side of the lower part of her neck, the right forearm, two injuries to the right side of the chest and to the right knee. There was a great deal of blood on her body and clothing and from its pattern, it appeared that at some stage of the attack she had been in an upright position.

This has some interesting forensic points.

June was certainly shot in bed. The state of the blood stained pillow highlighting this. June was barefooted and in her nightdress. This shows June was asleep when receiving her first salvo of shots. As the twins were. This highlights Bamber as the killer.

The opening shots may  have been in the neck and right side of her chest and forearm. Together with a shoulder shot. Bamber shooting her in the forehead and left side of the head after returning upstairs.

June was also shot in the knee, maybe Bamber wanted to make sure she would not start walking. Or he shot June in the knee after she started moving out of bed.

Two of the shots would have caused death very quickly. So may have been fired after Bamber returned upstairs and saw that June had moved. However he had enough bullets to fire seven into June and four into Neville in one go. There is no reason why he wouldn't release all bullets in one go. Death quickly' may just mean June had the chance to move a few feet.

The options are the gun had ten bullets in. Bamber shot June six times, and Neville four. When Bamber returned upstairs, June had moved a few feet. She was then shot in the reported upright position, in the forehead. 

Or Bamber unloaded all seven bullets into June in one go. June struggled a few feet before dying.
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Re: Forensic evidence of June:
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2015, 06:53:PM »
From the 2002 appeal.

43. Mrs Bamber was bare footed and dressed in a nightdress. She had received seven gunshot wounds, of which one to her forehead and one to the right side of the head would have caused death very quickly. She also suffered shots to the right side of the lower part of her neck, the right forearm, two injuries to the right side of the chest and to the right knee. There was a great deal of blood on her body and clothing and from its pattern, it appeared that at some stage of the attack she had been in an upright position.

This has some interesting forensic points.

June was certainly shot in bed. The state of the blood stained pillow highlighting this. June was barefooted and in her nightdress. This shows June was asleep when receiving her first salvo of shots. As the twins were. This highlights Bamber as the killer.

The opening shots may  have been in the neck and right side of her chest and forearm. Together with a shoulder shot. Bamber shooting her in the forehead and left side of the head after returning upstairs.

June was also shot in the knee, maybe Bamber wanted to make sure she would not start walking. Or he shot June in the knee after she started moving out of bed.

Two of the shots would have caused death very quickly. So may have been fired after Bamber returned upstairs and saw that June had moved. However he had enough bullets to fire seven into June and four into Neville in one go. There is no reason why he wouldn't release all bullets in one go. Death quickly' may just mean June had the chance to move a few feet.

The options are the gun had ten bullets in. Bamber shot June six times, and Neville four. When Bamber returned upstairs, June had moved a few feet. She was then shot in the reported upright position, in the forehead. 

Or Bamber unloaded all seven bullets into June in one go. June struggled a few feet before dying.

June walked around to the other side of the bed, he blood is dotted all over the carpet. The rifle could hold 11 bullets, not 10.
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Re: Forensic evidence of June:
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2015, 06:56:PM »
Where were June's footprints ?

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Re: Forensic evidence of June:
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2015, 07:05:PM »
June walked around to the other side of the bed, he blood is dotted all over the carpet. The rifle could hold 11 bullets, not 10.

If the shot to the forehead and right side of the head would have caused death quickly, how did June manage to do this ?

I suppose there will need to be a clearer definition of what 'quickly' means in this instance.

Bamber may have fired all seven bullets into June and she was still able to walk around before dying. The other 4 bullets being fired into Neville.

I don't believe Bamber would enter the main bedroom not fully loaded.
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Re: Forensic evidence of June:
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2015, 07:26:PM »
June walked around to the other side of the bed, he blood is dotted all over the carpet. The rifle could hold 11 bullets, not 10.
I still wonder why June walked round to that side of the bed,  she had already been shot so I would guess she may have been thinking of the boys, Sheila was found on top of June's blood spatter on that side of the bed so may also have been heading for the boys room.  I wonder what stopped Sheila in her tracks and why June walked round the bed and back to the door again....  any ideas?

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Re: Forensic evidence of June:
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2015, 07:34:PM »
If the shot to the forehead and right side of the head would have caused death quickly, how did June manage to do this ?


She was shot 4 or 5 times in bed then managed to crawl or drag herself to the doorway leading to the stairs then later a further 2 or 3 more shots fired later finishing her off later.


You now have another addition to your vast forensic 'Library' of allegedly and seemingly incriminating evidence against Jeremy

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Re: Forensic evidence of June:
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2015, 07:58:PM »
She was shot 4 or 5 times in bed then managed to crawl or drag herself to the doorway leading to the stairs then later a further 2 or 3 more shots fired later finishing her off later.


You now have another addition to your vast forensic 'Library' of allegedly and seemingly incriminating evidence against Jeremy
The drips of blood on the carpet on 'the far side of the bed' are from June so she also dragged herself round the bed at some point after having been shot, before she ended up by the bedroom door ... but ... why?
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Re: Forensic evidence of June:
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2015, 09:17:PM »
The drips of blood on the carpet on 'the far side of the bed' are from June so she also dragged herself round the bed at some point after having been shot, before she ended up by the bedroom door ... but ... why?

I will look at the autopsy reports and get back to you on that

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Re: Forensic evidence of June:
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2015, 06:23:AM »
She was shot 4 or 5 times in bed then managed to crawl or drag herself to the doorway leading to the stairs then later a further 2 or 3 more shots fired later finishing her off later.


You now have another addition to your vast forensic 'Library' of allegedly and seemingly incriminating evidence against Jeremy

I will go through my created threads since joining, shortly. Some of the threads are on forensic issues, they will be added to the forensic library.
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Re: Forensic evidence of June:
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2015, 08:18:AM »
I will go through my created threads since joining, shortly. Some of the threads are on forensic issues, they will be added to the forensic library.

I really wouldn't bother Adam - simply sticking the word 'forensic' in a post, doesn't make it scientific.
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Re: Forensic evidence of June:
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2015, 01:46:AM »

147. The precise sequence of the killings was unclear. June Bamber was shot whilst still lying in bed but had managed to get up and walk a few steps before she collapsed and died.


This is not saying June was shot after she got out of bed. Although it is quite possible that Bamber saw she had moved and shot her again. Which was probably the forehead shot.

It also says she walked a few steps. This does not suggest she walked across the bedroom and back again, as claimed.
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Re: Forensic evidence of June:
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2015, 08:15:PM »
I can not see one thing in this thread that forensically links Jeremy to the shooting of June ? what have I missed ?

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Re: Forensic evidence of June:
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2015, 12:07:PM »
I can not see one thing in this thread that forensically links Jeremy to the shooting of June ? what have I missed ?

Well the most incriminating piece of evidence is June was shot, barefooted, in just her nightie, with her head on the pillow. So asleep.

Surely this would not have been the case if Sheila was the killer. Thread already created.
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Re: Forensic evidence of June:
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2015, 12:15:PM »
Well the most incriminating piece of evidence is June was shot, barefooted, in just her nightie, with her head on the pillow. So asleep.

Surely this would not have been the case if Sheila was the killer. Thread already created.


How does that, in itself, constitute being "forensic" anything, let alone evidence of ANYONE, let alone Jeremy.

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Re: Forensic evidence of June:
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2015, 12:34:PM »
The drips of blood on the carpet on 'the far side of the bed' are from June so she also dragged herself round the bed at some point after having been shot, before she ended up by the bedroom door ... but ... why?
not proven there all belonged to june.only 2 peices of carpet were cut and tested .and  not every drop on the 2 peoices was tested.i beleive it was 5 drops from each peice.the droplets could just as easly be nevills or sheilas