Was Bamber's first shot into Sheila while she was asleep in bed ?

[maggie]

Maggie, I'm not actually buying into the shot in her own bedroom thing. I see it as a way for Adam to push his theory of her being lifted and carried, which I don't buy into, either. I fail to see how it would have been possible, with neck bone and muscle traumatized by the first bullet, for her to lift the gun and aim it to take an accurate second shot. Like you, I think all the second shot did was to hasten the inevitable result of the first shot.

I do think that most prob the second shot was for effect and to reinforce the suicide angle.
It is an accepted form of suicide and such a shot would naturally be seen as suicide not inflicted by a third person.

[lookout]

A semi-automatic would deliver one shot after the other, to the uninitiated,those who wouldn't have been familiar with its workings.

[lookout]

Both shots were in close proximity of each other that it wasn't impossible for there to have been a " repeat ".

[maggie]

A semi-automatic would deliver one shot after the other, to the uninitiated,those who wouldn't have been familiar with its workings.

I know Lookout but the second shot was very well aimed to be the result of a semi automatic imo

[susan]

Both shots were in close proximity of each other that it wasn't impossible for there to have been a " repeat ".

Hello lookout

I have read that the second shot could have been a natural body jerk cannot find the article that tyler brought up but will ask her.

[lookout]

I know Lookout but the second shot was very well aimed to be the result of a semi automatic imo

Hi Maggie,in my estimation that second shot was the " shock " one which followed quickly after the first which appeared as an unexpected aim after a short pull-back following that first shot,a jerked one best describes it,in my language anyway. Not that of a professional obviously. 

[lookout]

I believe that there is something called a " follow-up " shot after the first shot has failed even when the shooter remains motionless.

[maggie]

Hi Maggie,in my estimation that second shot was the " shock " one which followed quickly after the first which appeared as an unexpected aim after a short pull-back following that first shot,a jerked one best describes it,in my language anyway. Not that of a professional obviously.

I know what you mean Lookout but imo it would have been a massive chance that it would shoot Sheila where it did, I would expect a reflex second shot to have missed her altogether, hit her in the chest or throat or even the face but that second shot was well placed under her chin in quite a difficult position to get at.
The first shot was at 45 degrees so how did the rifle get so quickly into the position to shoot her under the chin?  I am sorry to say this but it doesn't make any sense otherwise imo.

[lookout]

Hello lookout

I have read that the second shot could have been a natural body jerk cannot find the article that tyler brought up but will ask her.

Hi Susan ( was just making a coffee ) Yes,I can go along with that. A sort of an unexpected second shot. Those familiar with a rifle would expect that to occur,but not the likes of Sheila.

[susan]

Hi Susan ( was just making a coffee ) Yes,I can go along with that. A sort of an unexpected second shot. Those familiar with a rifle would expect that to occur,but not the likes of Sheila.

 

The article posted by tyler explained how the two shots can occur in suicides but cannot remember exactly what it said I will ask her for the link.

[lookout]

I know what you mean Lookout but imo it would have been a massive chance that it would shoot Sheila where it did, I would expect a reflex second shot to have missed her altogether, hit her in the chest or throat or even the face but that second shot was well placed under her chin in quite a difficult position to get at.
The first shot was at 45 degrees so how did the rifle get so quickly into the position to shoot her under the chin?  I am sorry to say this but it doesn't make any sense otherwise imo.

Sheila would have been in the same lain down position for both shots. It would have been that she just expected the one shot,but being a semi-auto. the second one would have literally been seconds after. Sheila wouldn't have had to have moved an inch. Because that first shot hit the jaw-bone it would have naturally followed that a second shot an inch or so away from a non-moving target would occur.
For that second shot to have reached the skull,she'd have been lying flat and the rifle pointing upwards under her chin/neck.

[lookout]

Sheila would have shot herself under her own volition and by her own hand or the shots wouldn't have been as accurate as they were.

[Adam]

Jeremy may have "needed" to kill, but I don't believe it was for pleasure, nor was he a sadist. I'm just trying to imagine the excruciating pain of having ones neck shattered by a bullet, having blood flooding ons throat and being jarred by every step taken. I also wonder how there wouldn't have been, at least a blood trail from one bedroom to the other as one attempts to rid oneself of blood threatening to choke.

Well shooting Sheila while she slept and then carrying her for ten seconds, in a similar position to how she would be laying on her back, would not increase her pain much. Besides which Bamber assumed his first shot had killed her.

[Adam]

Why bother carrying her to the main bedroom?

She had be out of bed in the middle of where the shooting took place. The main bedroom is as good a place as any.

[Adam]

I do think that most prob the second shot was for effect and to reinforce the suicide angle.
It is an accepted form of suicide and such a shot would naturally be seen as suicide not inflicted by a third person.

The second shot was because Sheila didn't die after the first shot. He had no choice.