Flake of blood on silencer, mystery?

[mike tesko]

If relative, David Bouflour used a razor blade to scrape a small flake of blood off silencers end cap, how come on 13th August, 1985, when silencer (SBJ/1) was sent to Lab', that flake was still visible on the silencers end cap?

[smiffy]

This does not seem right...you would not be scraping a flake of blood off a metal item with a  razor blade.

razor blades are too flexible to scrape with...likely to end up cutting your fingers and even wearing gloves a  razor blade would slice though the glove into the fingers rather easily.

Sounds like total crap if he said scrape. IE a false claim from his imagination.

In laboratories new scalpel blades fresh from sealed packages would be used...on a proper handle and any flakes would be cut off/sliced with care.

[mike tesko]

Point about this, is that according to the official version of events, there was only ever just the one silencer, with the three different exhibit references, SBJ/1, DB/1 and DRB/1, and that the relatives had control and possession of the silencer for a period after its alleged find on 10th August 1985, until the evening of 12th August 1985, and that it would have been during this relatively short period of time, that David Boutflour could have had an opportunity to scrape off the small flake of dried blood with the razor blade, but once the silencer was handed over to DS Jones on evening of 12th August 1985, it was subsequently sent to the lab' on 13th August 1985, and upon its arrival at the lab' a diagram was made of the silencer, which includes the presence of the flake or stain on the silencers end cap - now my point is this, if Boutflour had already scraped off the flake of dried blood, why was it still there at the time it arrived at the lab' on 13th August 1985?

How did Boutflour manage to get hold of the silencer to enable him to scrape off that flake of blood with a razor once it was handed over into police possession, on 12th August 1985?

The matter gets worse, because on 29th August 1985, when DI Cook took possession of the silencer, to dismantle it, rebuild it and screw it onto the barrel of the rifle, he took pictures which show that flake of blood still on the end cap of that silencer - so when did Boutflour get the opportunity to use the razor blade to scrape off the small flake of blood, it must have been ion or after 29th August 1985?

It must have been after the police handed two of the three silencers back to the family, once the Bamber silencer (DRB/1) was received at the Lab' on or after 20th September 1985...

This was the reason why a police motorcycle outrider collected the two silencers (SBJ/1 and DB/1) from the relatives and took them to the court where JB was being tried for the murders, without alerting JB or his legal team, or the court that such steps had been taken. It was jot known at the time of the trial that EP had got three different identical looking Parker hale silencers at court, even though the evidence was being presented as though it all related to just one of them (DRB/1)...

It must have been once these two silencers (SBJ/1 and DB/1 had been returned to the relatives in the interim period that Boutflour used the razor blade to scrape the flake of blood off the silencers (SBJ/1) end cap...

It is therefore imperative that the date when Boutflour scraped off the blood from the silencer, took place, or was executed?

[smiffy]

does anyone know what metal the knurled nut on the silencers was made from..aluminium alloy or steel and what finish was applied..anodised or paint of some description ?

If one were to remove a flake of blood from the end face then one would carefully cut into the raised bloodspot with a very sharp blade. It is tricky to do this without leaving tell tale scratches unless the blood was very raised and so damn obvious it would be instantly spotted from several feet away.

scrape would not apply and any scraping action would mark the silencer. in my view David Boutflour didnt remove any  blood flake from a silencer as described.

[mike tesko]

does anyone know what metal the knurled nut on the silencers was made from..aluminium alloy or steel and what finish was applied..anodised or paint of some description ?

If one were to remove a flake of blood from the end face then one would carefully cut into the raised bloodspot with a very sharp blade. It is tricky to do this without leaving tell tale scratches unless the blood was very raised and so damn obvious it would be instantly spotted from several feet away.

scrape would not apply and any scraping action would mark the silencer. in my view David Boutflour didnt remove any  blood flake from a silencer as described.

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But he made a witness statement to COLP in 1991, saying that he did, and no only that he did, but also that Essex police knew what he had done, without naming the police officers who supposedly knew what he had done?

[smiffy]

Any idea on blood traces being found in the most likely place on the outside of the silencer...the knurled area where it would get trapped at the roots of the knurling cuts and be very difficult to remove and be very resistant to being disturbed in normal  and rough handling.

For surely if the argument is that it was Sheila's blood ...then it should have been found in the knurled area.

Lets play a game....of musical silencers.... we have 3 silencers of the same type...lets swap components around between them.... who is any the wiser?

[mike tesko]

Any idea on blood traces being found in the most likely place on the outside of the silencer...the knurled area where it would get trapped at the roots of the knurling cuts and be very difficult to remove and be very resistant to being disturbed in normal  and rough handling.

For surely if the argument is that it was Sheila's blood ...then it should have been found in the knurled area.

Lets play a game....of musical silencers.... we have 3 silencers of the same type...lets swap components around between them.... who is any the wiser?

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Exactly, better still, lets not swap anything around, lets just say that this bit of evidence from this silencer, (SBJ/1)  and that bit of evidence from that silencer, (DB/1) all came from the other silencer (DRB/1)...

[Kaldin]

does anyone know what metal the knurled nut on the silencers was made from..aluminium alloy or steel and what finish was applied..anodised or paint of some description ?

If one were to remove a flake of blood from the end face then one would carefully cut into the raised bloodspot with a very sharp blade. It is tricky to do this without leaving tell tale scratches unless the blood was very raised and so damn obvious it would be instantly spotted from several feet away.

scrape would not apply and any scraping action would mark the silencer. in my view David Boutflour didnt remove any  blood flake from a silencer as described.

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But he made a witness statement to COLP in 1991, saying that he did, and no only that he did, but also that Essex police knew what he had done, without naming the police officers who supposedly knew what he had done?

Have you posted that statement yet? I know you were going to but I can't remember if you did. 

[sc82]

Apoligies for going over old ground but what was David Boutflour's reason for scraping it off in the first place?

[nugnug]

as i can see he had no reason to be looking insideit at all he should of handed it straght to the police.

[clifford]

Apoligies for going over old ground but what was David Boutflour's reason for scraping it off in the first place?
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Seems funny that when the silencer was found he thought it important enough to place it, along with the telescopic sights into a plastic bag.
He the gets home and does a Sherlock Holmes on it. Why.

[smiffy]

David in the COLP statement claims he was "fascinated" by it.

credibility minus points for that excuse IMO.