Silencer (DRB/1) - was found in the gun cupboard at WHF, on 11th September, 1985

[mike tesko]

This silencer (DRB/1), was found along with other exhibits, bearing exhibit references, DRB/2, DRB/3 and DRB/4. This silencer was the third one to find its way into the possession of the police...

[Kaldin]

Do you have a copy of Robert Boutflour's statement dated 10th September 1985? In his COLP statement he said he described the finding of the silencer in that statement. If he made that statement on 10th September then the silencer could not have been found on 11th September.

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[mike tesko]

Do you have a copy of Robert Boutflour's statement dated 10th September 1985? In his COLP statement he said he described the finding of the silencer in that statement. If he made that statement on 10th September then the silencer could not have been found on 11th September.

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... Why would David Boutflour make a witness statement, saying he found the silencer, in a statement, dated, 10th September, 1985, if he did not make a phone call to the police, to say that he had found a silencer in the gun cupboard at WHF, until 11th September, 1985?

[Kaldin]

Do you have a copy of Robert Boutflour's statement dated 10th September 1985? In his COLP statement he said he described the finding of the silencer in that statement. If he made that statement on 10th September then the silencer could not have been found on 11th September.

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... Why would David Boutflour make a witness statement, saying he found the silencer, in a statement, dated, 10th September, 1985, if he did not make a phone call to the police, to say that he had found a silencer in the gun cupboard at WHF, until 11th September, 1985?

Obviously he couldn't make a statement on 10th September saying he'd found a silencer on 11th September because 11th September hadn't happened then.

It was Robert Boutflour who said he made a statement about it on 10th September anyway, not David Boutflour.

[mike tesko]

Do you have a copy of Robert Boutflour's statement dated 10th September 1985? In his COLP statement he said he described the finding of the silencer in that statement. If he made that statement on 10th September then the silencer could not have been found on 11th September.

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... Why would David Boutflour make a witness statement, saying he found the silencer, in a statement, dated, 10th September, 1985, if he did not make a phone call to the police, to say that he had found a silencer in the gun cupboard at WHF, until 11th September, 1985?

Obvioulsy he couldn't make a statement on 10th September saying he'd found a silencer on 11th September because 11th September hadn't happened then.

It was Robert Boutflour who said he made a statement about it on 10th September anyway, not David Boutflour.

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Robert Boutflour makes mention of the find of the silencer, yet David Boutflour supposedly finds it, and David does not contact the police to tell them that he has found a silencer in the gun cupboard at whf, until 11th September 1985, this is despite the fact that we are being led to believe that the silencer had already been handed over to DS Jones by peter Eaton, on 12th August 1985, that it had been fingerprinted by oblique light test on 15th August 1985, and that it had been fingerprinted by super-glue treatment on 23rd August 1985, that it had been dismantled, rebuilt, test fired and screwed onto the barrel of the anshulz rifle, as part of DI Cooks experiments on 29th August 1985, and sent to the Lab' on 30th August 1985 - and David Boutflour does not contact the police by telephone about finding it until 11th September 1985?

I don't think so...

The Lab' would not have entertained any items for examination unless they had been properly packaged and labelled with corresponding signatures - I just don't believe any of this fairy tale...

[smiffy]

hmm so on the saturday after the murder...the 2 boutflours...well david ..acts wierdo on finding a silencer..oh look what i found...OH YEAH...
robert there...tooo but neither in all the excitement notice anything odd about the silencer at the time
later that evening a mass gathering of the liars takes place when the silencer is not taken apart but is taken apart and blood and red paint are on it..
and then ...

pack of lies....in my view by those whose love of money was greater than their humanity to innocent others.

[mike tesko]

It remains possible - that the silencer (DRB/1) was found in the gun cupboard on 10th September 1985, and that Robert Boutflour made a statement to the police on that date, mentioning its find, but that his son, David Boutflour, did not contact the police until the following day (11th September 1985), to tell them that he had found the silencer in the gun cupboard at whf...

[Kaldin]

Do you have a copy of Robert Boutflour's statement dated 10th September 1985? In his COLP statement he said he described the finding of the silencer in that statement. If he made that statement on 10th September then the silencer could not have been found on 11th September.

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... Why would David Boutflour make a witness statement, saying he found the silencer, in a statement, dated, 10th September, 1985, if he did not make a phone call to the police, to say that he had found a silencer in the gun cupboard at WHF, until 11th September, 1985?

Obvioulsy he couldn't make a statement on 10th September saying he'd found a silencer on 11th September because 11th September hadn't happened then.

It was Robert Boutflour who said he made a statement about it on 10th September anyway, not David Boutflour.

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Robert Boutflour makes mention of the find of the silencer, yet David Boutflour supposedly finds it, and David does not contact the police to tell them that he has found a silencer in the gun cupboard at whf, until 11th September 1985, this is despite the fact that we are being led to believe that the silencer had already been handed over to DS Jones by peter Eaton, on 12th August 1985, that it had been fingerprinted by oblique light test on 15th August 1985, and that it had been fingerprinted by super-glue treatment on 23rd August 1985, that it had been dismantled, rebuilt, test fired and screwed onto the barrel of the anshulz rifle, as part of DI Cooks experiments on 29th August 1985, and sent to the Lab' on 30th August 1985 - and David Boutflour does not contact the police by telephone about finding it until 11th September 1985?

I don't think so...

The Lab' would not have entertained any items for examination unless they had been properly packaged and labelled with corresponding signatures - I just don't believe any of this fairy tale...

Are you now saying that David Boutflour allegedly found a silencer in the cupboard before 11th September, and merely informed the police on 11th September?

If Robert Boutflour made a statement on 10th September referring to the discovery of a silencer in the cupboard, it could hardly have happened on 11th September.

[Kaldin]

It remains possible - that the silencer (DRB/1) was found in the gun cupboard on 10th September 1985, and that Robert Boutflour made a statement to the police on that date, mentioning its find, but that his son, David Boutflour, did not contact the police until the following day (11th September 1985), to tell them that he had found the silencer in the gun cupboard at whf...

OK. I just asked you about that, but you answered before I posted it. 

[mike tesko]

It remains possible - that the silencer (DRB/1) was found in the gun cupboard on 10th September 1985, and that Robert Boutflour made a statement to the police on that date, mentioning its find, but that his son, David Boutflour, did not contact the police until the following day (11th September 1985), to tell them that he had found the silencer in the gun cupboard at whf...

OK. I just asked you about that, but you answered before I posted it. 

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I am searching my files to locate the Robert Boutflour statement, dated, 10th September 1985, but in view of its absence as I speak, I think that it is possible that the silencer that belonged to the Bambers that was found in the gun cupboard (DRB/1) could have been / was found there on 10th September 1985, and that Robert Boutflour made a statement about its find on that date (10th September 1985) and that his son, David did not contact the police about finding it there (on 10th September 19085, until 11th September 1985, and that his sister (Ann Eaton) handed it over (DRB/1) along with the other items that were found in the gun cupboard on that date, under the identifying marks, DRB/2, DRB/3 and DRB/4...

It is rather odd that if the relatives found the silencer in the gun cupboard on 10th August 1985, that they should not be making any witness statements until a month later, or even reporting it to the police that they had found a silencer in the gun cupboard at whf, until a month afterwards?

It just doesn't ring true...

Two of  the silencers (SBJ/1 and DB/1) had been handed over to the police before the find of the Bamber silencer in the gun cupboard, on either 10th or 11th September 1985, the small flake of blood that David Boutflour scraped off the silencer (SBJ/1) could only have been removed after it was handed back to the relatives by the police, and the crucial blood flake that was attributed to Sheila, was found inside the other silencer which belonged to one of the relatives, not in the Bamber silencer...

[Hartley]

Taking this one piece at a time.

Mike, regardless of any other silencer theories, would you agree that the silencer marked as exhibit DB/1 is the same item as that marked as DRB/1?

And would you also agree that the change is simply due to the discovery of a clash of initials between David Bird and David Robert Boutflour?

[chochokeira]

Taking this one piece at a time.

Mike, regardless of any other silencer theories, would you agree that the silencer marked as exhibit DB/1 is the same item as that marked as DRB/1?

And would you also agree that the change is simply due to the discovery of a clash of initials between David Bird and David Robert Boutflour?

Is there any documentation proving that DB/1 was DRB/1 under a change of name, Harters?

[chochokeira]

Taking this one piece at a time.

Mike, regardless of any other silencer theories, would you agree that the silencer marked as exhibit DB/1 is the same item as that marked as DRB/1?

And would you also agree that the change is simply due to the discovery of a clash of initials between David Bird and David Robert Boutflour?

Is there any documentation proving that DB/1 was DRB/1 under a change of name, Harters?

One reason I'm asking you this is because there were a number of David R Birds with births registered in either Chelmsford or Colchester registration districts during the relevent period.

[Hartley]

Taking this one piece at a time.

Mike, regardless of any other silencer theories, would you agree that the silencer marked as exhibit DB/1 is the same item as that marked as DRB/1?

And would you also agree that the change is simply due to the discovery of a clash of initials between David Bird and David Robert Boutflour?

Is there any documentation proving that DB/1 was DRB/1 under a change of name, Harters?

Have a read of these two statements by Chris Whiddon made to COLP in '91.

See what you make of it. Of course it's from five/six years after the event so he could be mistaken.

[chochokeira]

Taking this one piece at a time.

Mike, regardless of any other silencer theories, would you agree that the silencer marked as exhibit DB/1 is the same item as that marked as DRB/1?

And would you also agree that the change is simply due to the discovery of a clash of initials between David Bird and David Robert Boutflour?

Is there any documentation proving that DB/1 was DRB/1 under a change of name, Harters?

One reason I'm asking you this is because there were a number of David R Birds with births registered in either Chelmsford or Colchester registration districts during the relevent period.

And some of them lived in the Witham/ Chelmsford/Colchester district between 1975 and 1985. One lived at Tiptree.