Another MASSIVE Lie

[David1819]

Killing parents is rare,as in the cases of David Bain,Martin Tankleff, the Menendez brothers and Ernest Scherer. I can only surmise that the status quo becomes so insufferable that doing away with them becomes an idée fixe and the lesser of two evils. Born into an alien environment where you have little in common with your parents may be the start of this process, and in Jeremy's case the double blow of being sent away at eight years old,the only justification for which being that your future life would be made materially comfortable,only to end up working twelve hour days on the tractor,which may have tipped the balance of his thinking. As he bounced ideas off an intelligent girlfriend he must over a period of time have come to think they were given a modicum of respectability,and with the aid of central nervous system stimulants he was able to commit the crime and revert back to normal thought processes,where he alone took precedence and outside interference was unwelcome if this criterion were not met.

David Bain and Martin Tankleff are innocent Steve, I don't know why you still think they are guilty. The case of tanklef was an apauling MOJ

[Adam]

If that was his plan then he must be completely mad. Too many 'What if's...':

Somebody saw him on the road.
The dog barked and alerted Neville.
Someone heard him climbing through the window.
Someone was awake at WHF and called the police.
Neville had unloaded the gun and put it away.
He was overpowered by Neville.
Sheila locked herself [and her children] in the bathroom or another room.
Sheila refused to cooperate and allow herself to be shot.
He left a tiny amount of blood on the window, the bike, his clothes.
JM went to the police.
Et Al...

All these were minor obstacles as far as Bamber was concerned, pre massacre.

He was committing the massacre between midnight - 2.30am. The perfect time for an execution.

No one would see him ride across the fields at that time. DB said it passed no dwellings.

There is a thread on the dogs. Crispy was certainly not a guard dog.

The window had been loosened beforehand, or had been left open by Bamber when he went to supper. So the downstairs noise would be minimal.

There was no reason why anyone would wake. The rifle with the silencer on is almost silent. There was a possibility someone was already awake, but that was a chance he was prepared to take at that time period.

Everything was seconds away from going exactly to plan. Neville woke seconds before getting fatal shots while he slept. This was because Bamber fired into June first.

Bamber was not worried about Julie, post massacre. He assumed he had left no forensic evidence and he could keep her sweet for a few months. But he soon tired of her, and her of him.

[Adam]

If someone was awake and up when Bamber arrived at WHF, there would be a light, or several lights on.

Bamber would then just cycle home.

I assume Bamber cased the joint a bit outside before entering. Making sure there were no lights, noises or movements. There was still the chance someone would be lying in bed awake, but at that time, he was prepared to assume they were all asleep.

[Adam]

How many more days did the twins and Sheila have at WHF ?

I know Bamber told Julie it was 'now or never', but he was just fed up after a long day. He would have just gone home if he thought there were people awake at WHF.

Once he had gained access and got the gun, I doubt he would be too worried if he was wrong and one person was awake and up. He would just  have to shoot that person there and then before they could make too much noise. Then arrange the scene afterwards. The exception to this is Neville.

[Steve_uk]

David Bain and Martin Tankleff are innocent Steve, I don't know why you still think they are guilty. The case of tanklef was an apauling MOJ

Well you can say what you like about David Bain,but I prefer to go by this site: http://davidbain.counterspin.co.nz/

As for Marty Tankleff I still think the evidence points to his guilt. Not all crimes are clones of an Agatha Christie novel.

[Steve_uk]

How many more days did the twins and Sheila have at WHF ?

I know Bamber told Julie it was 'now or never', but he was just fed up after a long day. He would have just gone home if he thought there were people awake at WHF.

Once he had gained access and got the gun, I doubt he would be too worried if he was wrong and one person was awake and up. He would just  have to shoot that person there and then before they could make too much noise. Then arrange the scene afterwards. The exception to this is Neville.

Maybe he was worried the "brick" mobile telephone might be returned to the Farm.

[David1819]

Well you can say what you like about David Bain,but I prefer to go by this site: http://davidbain.counterspin.co.nz/

As for Marty Tankleff I still think the evidence points to his guilt. Not all crimes are clones of an Agatha Christie novel.

Not only does Robin Bain have the magazine marks on his fingers there was also Robin Bains blood in the barrel of the gun! pointing to suicide. They found this written at the original forensic notes, that never made it to his first trial.

As for Tankleff

I. COMPELLING NEW FACTUAL EVIDENCE DEMONSTRATES
THAT MARTIN TANKLEFF IS ACTUALLY INNOCENT AND HAS
BEEN WRONGFULLY INCARCERATED FOR OVER THIRTEEN
YEARS
A. New Fact Witnesses Indicate That Others Murdered Seymour and Arlene Tankleff
B. New Expert Witnesses Indicate That Martin Tankleff?s ?Confession? Was False

http://murderpedia.org/male.T/images/tankleff_martin/tankleff_motion.pdf

[Steve_uk]

Not only does Robin Bain have the magazine marks on his fingers there was also Robin Bains blood in the barrel of the gun! pointing to suicide. They found this written at the original forensic notes, that never made it to his first trial.

As for Tankleff

I. COMPELLING NEW FACTUAL EVIDENCE DEMONSTRATES
THAT MARTIN TANKLEFF IS ACTUALLY INNOCENT AND HAS
BEEN WRONGFULLY INCARCERATED FOR OVER THIRTEEN
YEARS
A. New Fact Witnesses Indicate That Others Murdered Seymour and Arlene Tankleff
B. New Expert Witnesses Indicate That Martin Tankleff?s ?Confession? Was False

http://murderpedia.org/male.T/images/tankleff_martin/tankleff_motion.pdf

Robin Bain had been using a chainsaw. In fact this was the catalyst for the massacre as he and David had had a row about it shortly before the murders.

Marty Tankleff is guilty as hell.  http://www.adoptionunchartedwaters.com/adoption-forensics-and-the-tankleff-case.php

[David1819]

Robin Bain had been using a chainsaw. In fact this was the catalyst for the massacre as he and David had had a row about it shortly before the murders.

Marty Tankleff is guilty as hell.  http://www.adoptionunchartedwaters.com/adoption-forensics-and-the-tankleff-case.php

I suggest you read the court transcripts on Tankleff rather than some dopey website http://murderpedia.org/male.T/images/tankleff_martin/tankleff_motion.pdf

[Steve_uk]

I suggest you read the court transcripts on Tankleff rather than some dopey website http://murderpedia.org/male.T/images/tankleff_martin/tankleff_motion.pdf

Lawyers get paid to prolong any legal process. But I will read what you suggest.

[Steve_uk]

He seems to have the support of his immediate relatives, apart from the half-sister who stood to inherit upon his conviction. He may be innocent but from his inconsistencies and reactions throughout I can't quite accept it and don't believe he suffered a great loss. They all loved their parents didn't they? Marty, David Bain, Jeremy.. https://youtu.be/C87Stc56CA0

[David1819]

He seems to have the support of his immediate relatives, apart from the half-sister who stood to inherit upon his conviction. He may be innocent but from his inconsistencies and reactions throughout I can't quite accept it and don't believe he suffered a great loss. They all loved their parents didn't they? Marty, David Bain, Jeremy.. https://youtu.be/C87Stc56CA0

It was jerry steuerman who killed Marty's parents.   David Bain never killed anyone, as for Jeremy I'm on the fence.

[Steve_uk]

It was jerry steuerman who killed Marty's parents.   David Bain never killed anyone, as for Jeremy I'm on the fence.

Jerry Steuerman may have hired someone to kill Seymour Tankleff, but why kill his wife and leave Marty unscathed? David Bain killed his parents,two sisters and brother whilst under a trance he had learned how to produce from his mother. He is a sick man, and it's an absolute scandal that he is allowed to sip a Cabernet on the balcony of his Auckland apartment,whilst the five members of his family rest in a distant  South Island graveyard.

[David1819]

Jerry Steuerman may have hired someone to kill Seymour Tankleff, but why kill his wife and leave Marty unscathed?

Marty was asleep and never witnessed it, Leaving Marty in the house alive would make him a possible suspect, I doubt Jerry Steuerman realised the importance of it at the time but in leaving Marty alive allowed him to get away with it.  Jerry Steuerman owed Seymour hundreds of thousands of dollars plus Steuerman used his bagel shops as a front for his cocaine dealing business. After the murders Steuerman fled and disguised himself and went by another name, Its not difficult to work out who murdered Marty's parents

David Bain killed his parents,two sisters and brother whilst under a trance he had learned how to produce from his mother. He is a sick man, and it's an absolute scandal that he is allowed to sip a Cabernet on the balcony of his Auckland apartment,whilst the five members of his family rest in a distant  South Island graveyard.

Crime scene photos and forensic science disagrees with you.

[Steve_uk]

Marty was asleep and never witnessed it, Leaving Marty in the house alive would make him a possible suspect, I doubt Jerry Steuerman realised the importance of it at the time but in leaving Marty alive allowed him to get away with it.  Jerry Steuerman owed Seymour hundreds of thousands of dollars plus Steuerman used his bagel shops as a front for his cocaine dealing business. After the murders Steuerman fled and disguised himself and went by another name, Its not difficult to work out who murdered Marty's parents

Crime scene photos and forensic science disagrees with you.

There might be enough doubt in the Marty Tankleff case given that he was 17 years old and bullied by experienced Police Officers to confess.  But there is no doubt with David Bain, who left a mountain of forensic evidence, much of it terribly distressing, but if you are interested in the truth you might wish to peruse the relevant Wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bain