Main planks of the innocence stance. Plausible or laughable ?

[notsure]

I believe Scipio said the Youtube video didn't give an accurate picture. One has to wonder how, when she'd have had to step over a bloodied body, her feet remained clean.

we dont have conclusive evidence her feet were clean jane. Its very improbable isnt it.

[Caroline]

i dont believe we have all the information regarding shielas illness and what she was capable of. I also think we dismiss too easily her ability to carry outthemurders.

By the same token, I think people make excuses for Jeremy's behaviour and dismiss his behaviour while emphasising similar aspects of Julie's  Of course Sheila had the ability however, she has no marks on her or her clothing to back up the notion that she fired the gun. I don't believe for one second that she would have used a weapon she was unfamiliar with in the throws of a psychotic episode. More than that though, this all happened on a night when Jeremy just happened to leave a gun and ammunition laying around.

[Caroline]

we dont have conclusive evidence her feet were clean jane. Its very improbable isnt it.

Well passing this off as the foot of a 27 year old is laughable.

[Caroline]

i disagree . Shiela gre up on this farm and guns were part of that upbringing. A psychosis episode canladt hours caroline.

Sheila didn't go shooting, she didn't like guns and didn't even want her children to have toy guns. She was at boarding school for much of her childhood - she clearly was NOT the hunting, shooting and fishing type!

[lookout]

Well passing this off as the foot of a 27 year old is laughable.

Indeed,it could quite possibly have been June's !

[Caroline]

Indeed,it could quite possibly have been June's !

I agree, far more likely - it's certainly seen some miles!!

[notsure]

By the same token, I think people make excuses for Jeremy's behaviour and dismiss his behaviour while emphasising similar aspects of Julie's  Of course Sheila had the ability however, she has no marks on her or her clothing to back up the notion that she fired the gun. I don't believe for one second that she would have used a weapon she was unfamiliar with in the throws of a psychotic episode. More than that though, this all happened on a night when Jeremy just happened to leave a gun and ammunition laying around.

yes i agree that it is a coincidence that this happened after jeremy leaves the gun laying around.

[notsure]

Well passing this off as the foot of a 27 year old is laughable.

is this junes foot, have i been misled ?

[Caroline]

yes i agree that it is a coincidence that this happened after jeremy leaves the gun laying around.

I don't think it is a coincidence and I don't believe he left the gun out.

[Jane]

well jane 4 and 6 weeks do add up tomonths dont they. Youve got to be pretty sick to have to spend that much time in hospital.

well why would you be afraid for your safety.

that answers itself really doesnt it.

Over a period of 18 months she spent just over 5 weeks in hospital in 1983 and 4 weeks in 1985. A 4 week stay being the statutory time for emergency psych admissions.

I'm not certain what difference it would make by my telling you what would make me fear for my safety. Every person will give a different scenario of their fear.

I don't know what question you think has been answered here.

[Steve_uk]

I have to say that I felt damn sorry for Sheila,she'd had all she could tolerate and simply " lost it ". When you reach the point of no return such as she clearly did,there doesn't seem to be an end to it on the horizon and she didn't have the strength of mind to carry on. You don't have to be suffering from schizophrenia or any psychotic illness to experience such a feeling. Nobody knows what goes on in, or with the mind.

Of course Sheila's illness is the Defence's strongest card and one would expect them to play it for all it is worth. My mind went back to the carving in the chest of drawers of unknown provenance: "I hate this place" in the twins' bedroom at White House Farm,and the extract below from Colin's book:

On one of my first visits to the farm,Bambs was showing me some of her paintings and drawings,which her parents had kept from her schooldays,when one caught my eye as particularly striking. It portrayed three girls wearing long dresses standing on a spiral staircase,another girl at the bottom,kneeling on the floor in dark clothes,looking down and away from the others. Its imagery was both powerful and rather disturbing-not unlike Edward Munch's painting The Scream. When I asked Bambs about it,she told me she had painted it at Moira House when she was eleven years old. The three girls represented the older pupils who were always "really nasty" to her and always made out that they were "so superior and glamorous" and that she was always so "dowdy and pathetic." I told her I thought the painting very moving and advanced for the age at which she did it,and asked if she would let me have it.

I recently turned the picture over and looked at the back of it for the first time. There was a sinister black and white face with bright red lips,which had then been crossed out with two broad daubs of red paint. It is often the case that the aborted attempt at a picture can be even more significant than the one which is presented. The whole thing,which in its entirety is even more reminiscent of The Scream,now seems horribly symbolic.

[Jane]

i disagree . Shiela gre up on this farm and guns were part of that upbringing. A psychosis episode canladt hours caroline.

I have a friend who is a farmer's daughter. She and her family live on the farm where she spent her childhood. She has never handled a gun.

[Caroline]

Over a period of 18 months she spent just over 5 weeks in hospital in 1983 and 4 weeks in 1985. A 4 week stay being the statutory time for emergency psych admissions.

I'm not certain what difference it would make by my telling you what would make me fear for my safety. Every person will give a different scenario of their fear.

I don't know what question you think has been answered here.

I would certainly FEAR for the safety of my family if I had a call after 3am and heard that my sister (if I had one) had gone crazy and had hold of a gun. I'd be so scared for their safety, I'd call 999. I wouldn't even think of a call to the boyfriend - mind you, if I had 26 minutes to spare (like Jeremy), I might be able give him a call and fit in a quick online shop!! 

[Caroline]

is this junes foot, have i been misled ?

Do you think it looks like the foot of a 27 year old woman?

[Caroline]

Look at the comparison!