Main planks of the innocence stance. Plausible or laughable ?

[susan]

Bad choice of words Adam.

Give it a rest you know you are wrong and Susan has absolutely no need to apologise for missing a comma.

Jan

Thank you for your support.

[Caroline]

'Jan I have thought that Sheila may have been on the double bed with June xxx xxxxx in Sheila's room but what puzzles me the beds in there do not look slept in although AE did say she was surprised the other bed (not Sheila's) was made up ready for sleeping in.  As you have quoted none of us know what happened we can only speculate and that includes Adam'


Now now. This is what you said. Other posters supported this view. I never agreed with it, and was shot down by Jan.

Eh? You're suing that to support the notion that a claim was made that they all slept in the same bed??  You have just made yourself look foolish again. YOU didn't read it properly 

[maggie]

Hi All, I have edited the threads,  'Main planks of the Innocence.....'  and 'Trudie being vague again...'
Could we possibly now stop discussing the offending suggestion and get back to the subject of the thread.

Cheers 

[Caroline]

Hi All, I have edited the threads,  'Main planks of the Innocence.....'  and 'Trudie being vague again...'
Could we possibly now stop discussing the offending suggestion and get back to the subject of the thread.

Cheers 

No one was discussing the offending suggestion Maggie - that was JUST Adam! Who, (when all comes to all) read the original post incorrectly. 

[maggie]

No one was discussing the offending suggestion Maggie - that was JUST Adam! Who, (when all comes to all) read the original post incorrectly. 

I know I am not accusing anyone, just asking if we can move on so I can go cook some food 

[susan]

No one was discussing the offending suggestion Maggie - that was JUST Adam! Who, (when all comes to all) read the original post incorrectly. 

Caroline
very well said.  Adam knew exactly what was meant in the post he just twisted it slightly to suit.

[susan]

I know I am not accusing anyone, just asking if we can move on so I can go cook some food 
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Maggie
off you go and cook the dinner we will all behave ourselves till you get back

[maggie]

Caroline
very well said.  Adam knew exactly what was meant in the post he just twisted it slightly to suit.

I know he did suse, hopefully that is the end of it.
I've already burned my roasted vegetables to a crisp 

[notsure]

Where did you read that Sheila had spent "months" in hospital. I understand that apart from being hospitalized during her pregnancy, she spent two periods of six(?) and four(?) weeks in the psych clinic.

No one has every said Sheila was violent. Freddie said he was afraid for his safety but Sheila didn't actually do anything to him or any other person and someone would certainly have come forward had she.

Like you require proof of Julie telling the truth, I require proof of Nevill's call to Jeremy.

well jane 4 and 6 weeks do add up tomonths dont they. Youve got to be pretty sick to have to spend that much time in hospital.

well why would you be afraid for your safety.

that answers itself really doesnt it.

[notsure]

The sights and silencer were removed from the gun shortly before the murders. Was it established that they were attached to the gun on the Tuesday night whilst Jeremy was attempting to shoot rabbits? If not who removed them? It's beyond the realms of possibility that Sheila in a psychotic episode took a screwdriver and attempted this herself.

there is no hard evidence the silencer was on the gun. I do not believe it was on when the murders were carried out. I think this was made to fit.

[notsure]

Sheila did her best to explain that she could do damage------------but nobody listened. It's what's happening to this day. These are the kind of threats that should never be taken lightly or ignored. It's a patient's cry for help.

good point lookout.

[notsure]

I have never said it wasn't physically possible for Sheila to have committed the murders. However, a person in the throws of psychosis doesn't use a weapon that is unfamiliar to them, they pick up with whatever is closest - they don't spend 5-10 minutes making sure they know what to push, pull or turn in order to get the weapon to operate.

i disagree . Shiela gre up on this farm and guns were part of that upbringing. A psychosis episode canladt hours caroline.

[notsure]

Presumably Colin never saw "violence UNDER the surface" rise to the surface. Certainly, prior to being placed on medication -during her FIRST admission- Sheila did voice her concerns about being a danger to her children. Was this ever defined as physical or emotional danger? She said nothing about fearing this "danger" during her second admission. Sheila seemed quite capable of giving expression to her anger. There are no stories of Jeremy venting his, even when it may have been justified.

i dont believe we have all the information regarding shielas illness and what she was capable of. I also think we dismiss too easily her ability to carry outthemurders.

[Caroline]

well jane 4 and 6 weeks do add up tomonths dont they. Youve got to be pretty sick to have to spend that much time in hospital.

well why would you be afraid for your safety.

that answers itself really doesnt it.

She was pretty sick but she was taking medication.

Feddie gave his first statement when he thought Sheila had murdered her parents and children. Intentionally or not, it would have affected what he said. Colin did something similar but later he regretted having said she could be violent and admitted it being due to thinking she might have killed the children.

[lookout]

I have to say that I felt damn sorry for Sheila,she'd had all she could tolerate and simply " lost it ". When you reach the point of no return such as she clearly did,there doesn't seem to be an end to it on the horizon and she didn't have the strength of mind to carry on. You don't have to be suffering from schizophrenia or any psychotic illness to experience such a feeling. Nobody knows what goes on in, or with the mind.