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Re: Anglolawyer's theory
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2015, 12:36:PM »
Problem for Jerry is if he shops Julie he seals his own fate.






For what reason would he " shop " Julie and for why ?

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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2015, 12:37:PM »
Yes, have always thought it strange that he has never really attacked her. He did comment to a journalist that 'she shouldn't have done that' and his eyes filled with tears, seemed incongruous.
She saw him so close to Brett and must have feared for her position and 'share' so she shopped him to save herself and punish him, she may as well have killed him, IMO she was as bad as him.

I used to have a boyfriend who could cry at will - so it could just be that or maybe they were tears of frustration and anger at not being able to say "She is as much to blame"? There did seem to be resentment in respect to his friendship with Brett - she sounds VERY immature in her thinking as far as relationships go but they both did.
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Re: Anglolawyer's theory
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2015, 12:38:PM »





For what reason would he " shop " Julie and for why ?

If he suddenly realised he is never getting out - simply for satisfaction!
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« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2015, 12:39:PM »
Problem for Jerry is if he shops Julie he seals his own fate.

Unless he finally accepts his fate.
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« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2015, 12:45:PM »
he does need to shes guilty be her own admission.

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« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2015, 12:48:PM »
he does need to shes guilty be her own admission.

What admission?  ???
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Re: Anglolawyer's theory
« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2015, 12:48:PM »
Problem for Jerry is if he shops Julie he seals his own fate.
Yes, that was the awful problem he gave himself.   The pro-innocent view (in which Julie is simply a liar) has the good point that Jeremy did not really need her.   It's not as if her taking a call at 3.00 a.m. (or whenever it was) would prove he had not committed the murders and then cycled home like crazy afterwards.   By including her in his plans he only made it more likely he would be caught and he tied himself to her needlessly.

Against that, she had become his partner in crime and some kind of bond may have developed.   On her account, she must have been very devoted indeed to prop him up in that performance at the funeral in the full glare of the media   I have even encountered the wonderful suggestion that the whole thing was her idea, which I am disinclined to believe but which enriches the irony muchly.

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« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2015, 12:50:PM »
she was given imunity anyway wasnt she.

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« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2015, 01:00:PM »
she was given imunity anyway wasnt she.

She wasn't given immunity as far as the murders were concerned, they just didn't bring charges against her for the caravan park robbery or the cheque book fraud.
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« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2015, 01:10:PM »
well as far as i can see her own statements are an admission of guilt it just depends if the cps will proscute.

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« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2015, 01:18:PM »
well as far as i can see her own statements are an admission of guilt it just depends if the cps will proscute.
After 30+ years the chances are slim to none and might well encounter obstacles of one kind or another anyway.   Who knows, maybe Julie has some dope on the cops too?

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Re: Anglolawyer's theory
« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2015, 01:22:PM »
If he suddenly realised he is never getting out - simply for satisfaction!






I think he's already realised that in view of the antiquated system that prevents those who are innocent be allowed a voice.I'm sure that up and coming new lawyers etc would like to see a change in the system particularly as regards the prosecution which from the outset is a foregone conclusion that there'll be a charge of sorts which in many cases result in wrongful convictions and subsequently MOJ's.

At least Jeremy can read and write,but what of the ones who are innocent and can't do either ? He's worked damned hard over the years putting reams of paperwork in some semblance of order,looking for anything at all that will give him his proof of innocence and I admire his fight to get justice .
Unless anyone has been up against the " establishment " of a closed shop,then they have no idea what it's like being on the receiving end of bureaucracy.

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Re: Anglolawyer's theory
« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2015, 01:32:PM »
After 30+ years the chances are slim to none and might well encounter obstacles of one kind or another anyway.   Who knows, maybe Julie has some dope on the cops too?

of course if for any reason they did proscute her she would be between a rock and a hard place the only way she could be found innocent would be by retracting her statement leaving her open to a perjury charge.

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Re: Anglolawyer's theory
« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2015, 01:39:PM »
of course if for any reason they did proscute her she would be between a rock and a hard place the only way she could be found innocent would be by retracting her statement leaving her open to a perjury charge.
Well, while I am no expert, I would expect her to have a good shot at having any prosecution struck out as an abuse.   There is no justification for the delay, firstly.   Its not like the cops have just come into possession of evidence they have been lacking all along despite the exercise of due diligence.   Furthermore, she gave her statements without being cautioned.   She may also have testified without being properly advised about the right not to incriminate herself and on the strength of an understanding or even an explicit agreement with the DPP that she would face no charges.   There is also the question whether she could receive a fair trial now, the case having been subjected to intense and widespread scrutiny over many years.   A prosecution of her might also open a can of worms regarding the safety of Bamber's conviction as it might reveal undisclosed connivance between her and the cops which, had the jury known of it, might have affected the outcome.

For all these, and perhaps other, reasons I doubt very much whether we shall ever see her hauled back to court.   
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Re: Anglolawyer's theory
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2015, 01:40:PM »
of course if for any reason they did proscute her she would be between a rock and a hard place the only way she could be found innocent would be by retracting her statement leaving her open to a perjury charge.






Nugs I firmly believe that the reason some have held back, those who know Jeremy to be innocent,is the knowledge of what would happen once the ball started to roll.This is why there appears to be a stalemate going on regarding the refusal by EP to hand over those original notes once and for all.

I was reading about a guy who's now dead and buried and had been pardoned after 53 years of fighting for his innocence. Is everyone waiting for Jeremy to have a massive coronary ??