Mystery of the presence of human blood both ends of the silencer, 13th August...

[maggie]

Its not acceptable to do dangerous scientific or medical experiments on humans, Unless your names Dr Mengele.

I know but that's no excuse, there's such a thing as knowing when to draw the line and morality. Imo

[David1819]

It's not hypocritical at all - A pic shot with a .22 rifle would suffer far more than if it was killed in a abattoir. Perhaps you could put yourself forward to make it completely 'like for like'  and leave the pig and the 'hypocrisy' out of it?

First My friends and family would not approve of me doing it and it would upset them greatly. That's what makes us different from the rest of animals we contemplate life on a level that they do not. Secondly its not legally possible to volunteer for such things. Third the pig will get slaughtered for meat and die anyway.

[maggie]

If your a vegetarian and purchase no products that require animal testing then your thumbs down is valid otherwise its rather hypocritical

I'm a vegetarian and try to avoid products tested on animals but everyone has their own opinions where the line should be drawn.  Don't see why a person has to be totally pure before it's acceptable to object to this particular cruelty. 

[David1819]

I know but that's no excuse, there's such a thing as knowing when to draw the line and morality. Imo

If the experiments could exonerate the wrongly convicted and help police solve crimes then yes it is justified.

If the experiments lead to lifesaving medicine or drugs that improve the quality of ill peoples lives then yes it is justified.

If its for unneeded cosmetics and beauty products then no its not

[Caroline]

If the experiments could exonerate the wrongly convicted and help police solve crimes then yes it is justified.

If the experiments lead to lifesaving medicine or drugs that improve the quality of ill peoples lives then yes it is justified.

If its for unneeded cosmetics and beauty products then no its not

That is your opinion which some of us don't share! And CERTAINLY NOT in this instance where the guy is clearly guilty!

[maggie]

If the experiments could exonerate the wrongly convicted and help police solve crimes then yes it is justified.

If the experiments lead to lifesaving medicine or drugs that improve the quality of ill peoples lives then yes it is justified.

If its for unneeded cosmetics and beauty products then no its not

I'm not sure I agree, we have reasoning which should enable us to work things out without causing suffering to innocent animals.
As far as drugs,  I think it's questionable, so many drugs cause more problems long term than they solve, it's become more about money than anything else.  I have had quite a few serious illnesses so have benefited from research but I'm still not convinced we should use animals and make them suffer for our own ends. From an animal's point of view suffering is the same whether for drugs or makeup. 

[scipio_usmc]

Tonight, is the hallowed eve', the spirit which is that of Sheila Caffell, is confirming that, Woodcock shot her upon his entry to the kitchen. She fled upstairs after regaining consciousness, fell again unconscious onto the bed, her body moved to the bedroom floor, rifle brought from the bedroom window, and she killed herself by way of a shot from that rifle. OK, we now know, she didn't kill herself, we know Jeremy hadn't killed her, so who did?

Yeah sure her spirit would choose you of all people to turn to...

[mike tesko]

Replacement bullet, PV/20, weighing 1.71+ gram, was not fired through the moderator (DRB/1), at the time Sheila Caffell was shot across the throat, on the 7th August, 1985...

[mike tesko]

Replacement bullet, PV/20, weighing 1.71+ gram, was not fired through the moderator (DRB/1), at the time Sheila Caffell was shot across the throat, on the 7th August, 1985...

Bullet fragment PV/20, weighing 1.5453 gram, was...

[mike tesko]

Replacement bullet (PV/20) was not contaminated, with Sheila Caffells blood, blood which ended up inside moderator, DRB/1, but from the 20th September, 1985, replacement bullet PV/20, was one of the two exhibits relied upon to help convict Jeremy Bamber of shooting his sister dead twice ..

But, the replacement bullet, PV/20, weighing 1.71+ gram is a piece of fabricated evidence...

[mike tesko]

Replacement bullet (PV/20) was not contaminated, with Sheila Caffells blood, blood which ended up inside moderator, DRB/1, but from the 20th September, 1985, replacement bullet PV/20, was one of the two exhibits relied upon to help convict Jeremy Bamber of shooting his sister dead twice ..

But, the replacement bullet, PV/20, weighing 1.71+ gram is a piece of fabricated evidence...

It had nothing to do with the shooting of Sheila Caffell, on the 7th August 1985...

[mike tesko]

Why did Essex police sanction the replacement of the original badly fragmented bullet, PV/20, weighing 1.5453 gram, with a different bullet weighing 1.71+ gram, by the 20th September 1985, to enable the ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher, to misleading suggest that both Bullets, the original PV/19, and the replacement PV/20, had been fired via the anshuzt rifle at the time of the shootings?

Why have they tampered with the bullet (weighing 1.5453 gram) that was fired into and across Sheila Caffells neck? Was it because that original badly fragmented bullet had not in fact been fired via the anshuzt rifle at all?

But, according to Essex police, there was no other rifle kept at the scene capable of firing such a bullet. So, why get rid of the original badly fragmented bullet (PV/20) weighing 1.5453 gram, and replace it with a different (PV/20) bullet, weighing 1.71+ gram?

[mike tesko]

The bullet weighing 1.5453 gram, and the bullet weighing 1.71+ gram, could not possibly be the same bullet (PV/20)...

Yet, inclusion of the bullet weighing 1.71+ was relied upon to help to convict Jeremy Bamber, of shooting dead his sister, by a reliance upon it. Surely, the convictions are undermined by the exposure of this...

[mike tesko]

Bambers convictions must be quashed, and he must be set free as soon as possible. Otherwise, the Criminal Justice System is brought into disrepute. It is not in the public interest to keep Jeremy Bamber in custody a moment longer now that it has been proven by reference to the deliberate interference with the batch of crime scene ammunition by Essex police and its Home Office approved experts. There must have been a motive to force Essex police to replace one of the two Bullets (PV/20), an original bullet weighing 1.5453 gram, with its replacement weighing 1.71+ gram? The only logical explanation is that the former (weighing 1.5453 gram), had not been fired via the anshuzt rifle, whereas the second bullet PV/19 had been. Since there was only one gun found in the main bedroom, it meant that Sheila must have been shot in a different part of the farmhouse with use of a different gun.This was problematic to the case Essex police intended to bring against Bamber, because of the identity of the gun which had fired the bullet weighing 1.5453 gram, and the identity of that weapons owner...

That is why, Essex police had to remove the original bullet (PV/20) weighing 1.5453 gram, and replace it with a different bullet weighing 1.71gram, which had been fired during an unreported test fire via the same anshuzt rifle that had fired the other bullet (PV/19), so the Essex police could rely on the argument that the same rifle had fired both Bullets (PV/19 and PV/20) at the time Sheila Caffell had been shot and killed in the shootings...

But, that is in fact totally untrue - Sheila Caffell was shot twice, once by one gun, and secondly, she was shot once in the main bedroom by use of the anshuzt rifle...

[scipio_usmc]

Bambers convictions must be quashed, and he must be set free as soon as possible. Otherwise, the Criminal Justice System is brought into disrepute. It is not in the public interest to keep Jeremy Bamber in custody a moment longer now that it has been proven by reference to the deliberate interference with the batch of crime scene ammunition by Essex police and its Home Office approved experts. There must have been a motive to force Essex police to replace one of the two Bullets (PV/20), an original bullet weighing 1.5453 gram, with its replacement weighing 1.71+ gram? The only logical explanation is that the former (weighing 1.5453 gram), had not been fired via the anshuzt rifle, whereas the second bullet PV/19 had been. Since there was only one gun found in the main bedroom, it meant that Sheila must have been shot in a different part of the farmhouse with use of a different gun.This was problematic to the case Essex police intended to bring against Bamber, because of the identity of the gun which had fired the bullet weighing 1.5453 gram, and the identity of that weapons owner...

That is why, Essex police had to remove the original bullet (PV/20) weighing 1.5453 gram, and replace it with a different bullet weighing 1.71gram, which had been fired during an unreported test fire via the same anshuzt rifle that had fired the other bullet (PV/19), so the Essex police could rely on the argument that the same rifle had fired both Bullets (PV/19 and PV/20) at the time Sheila Caffell had been shot and killed in the shootings...

But, that is in fact totally untrue - Sheila Caffell was shot twice, once by one gun, and secondly, she was shot once in the main bedroom by use of the anshuzt rifle...

Your BS is rejected by all sane, sentient beings so posting this rubbish over and over just makes you look pathetic.