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Offline David1819

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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #375 on: December 10, 2015, 11:33:PM »
Brian Blackwell was/is also a psychopath, he killed his parents then went on holiday with his girlfriend - he is in no way the same kind of killer as Joanne Dennehy, who killed because she wanted to see someone die. Psychopaths don't all have the same motivations - they are all different in that respect, they just lack empathy and inhibition which makes it easier for them to kill if need be (and yes, I know not ALL psychopaths kill). Like I said to Lookout, it's hard to generalise and also unwise.

Brian Blackwell has NPD its similar but not the same. Brian was raised in a very unusual way, His mum was running baths and bathing him like a baby all the way up until he was 19 years old! I don't blame him for snapping To be honest, Sad story  :(

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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #376 on: December 11, 2015, 01:36:AM »
Brian Blackwell has NPD its similar but not the same. Brian was raised in a very unusual way, His mum was running baths and bathing him like a baby all the way up until he was 19 years old! I don't blame him for snapping To be honest, Sad story  :(

Jeremy may well also suffer the same disorder, I think both share characteristics.
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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #377 on: December 11, 2015, 06:58:AM »
Jeremy may well also suffer the same disorder, I think both share characteristics.


It would go a long way to explaining why Jeremy felt the need to do low paid, menial jobs -rather than applying himself to getting qualifications where he'd have been lost amongst those far brighter than himself-he'd have stood out from the rest and been guaranteed an audience.

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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #378 on: December 11, 2015, 09:02:AM »

It would go a long way to explaining why Jeremy felt the need to do low paid, menial jobs -rather than applying himself to getting qualifications where he'd have been lost amongst those far brighter than himself-he'd have stood out from the rest and been guaranteed an audience.

That makes no sense at all. Your saying that by working in the Little Chef by a motorway would make him stand out with an audience?  ???
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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #379 on: December 11, 2015, 09:30:AM »
That makes no sense at all. Your saying that by working in the Little Chef by a motorway would make him stand out with an audience?  ???
IF he is a psychopath he would also be a narcissist ....... all psychopaths are narcissists.
I can see the reasoning of him choosing to be a big fish in a very small pond if that was all that was available at the time.
People suffering from NPD naturally suffer from very low self esteem and not all have the opportunity to be a huge fish in a huge pond so they grab what they can get at the time, better to be 'Manager' than an also ran no matter what the context. It's likely JB preferred that than being a farm labourer, even if he was the bosses son.
On the other hand he may just have preferred doing anything than farming and being dogs body to his father.
Even The Little Chef may have felt more glamourous than grubbing on a farm with a load of yokels he had been brought up to believe were inferior to him. :'(
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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #380 on: December 11, 2015, 03:21:PM »
That makes no sense at all. Your saying that by working in the Little Chef by a motorway would make him stand out with an audience?  ???


Are you deliberately misinterpreting what people say, or just missing the point?

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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #381 on: December 11, 2015, 04:25:PM »

Are you deliberately misinterpreting what people say, or just missing the point?

Well, he's just done it to me too  so I guess that's the order of the day.
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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #382 on: December 11, 2015, 07:46:PM »
I am trying to fit Jeremy into these disorders,but it doesn't seem to work. The mother bathing the child at an inappropriate age may fit with Brian Blackwell and Gary Ridgway, but surely not with Jeremy( didn't June drop him on the head as a baby anyway and henceforth probably never made physical contact again).

I prefer the scenario that he took a cocktail of drugs just before the murders and was therefore disengaged from his actions, in the same way David Bain learned trancing from his mother and committed the atrocities one step removed from himself. As soon as the effects wore off in each case they both reverted to normal.
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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #383 on: December 11, 2015, 07:57:PM »
I am trying to fit Jeremy into these disorders,but it doesn't seem to work. The mother bathing the child at an inappropriate age may fit with Brian Blackwell and Gary Ridgway, but surely not with Jeremy( didn't June drop him on the head as a baby anyway and henceforth probably never made physical contact again).

I prefer the scenario that he took a cocktail of drugs just before the murders and was therefore disengaged from his actions, in the same way David Bain learned trancing from his mother and committed the atrocities one step removed from himself. As soon as the effects wore off in each case they both reverted to normal.
Drugs or no drugs surely anyone seriously contemplating and carrying out such a horrendous crime must be disordered Steve?

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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #384 on: December 11, 2015, 08:10:PM »
Drugs or no drugs surely anyone seriously contemplating and carrying out such a horrendous crime must be disordered Steve?
Yes and I don't have any specific knowledge in this field. Plotting to kill someone is a sign of disorder, but lending a sympathetic ear to the plan under the guise of infatuation is surely within the same family of disorders.

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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #385 on: December 11, 2015, 08:14:PM »
I am trying to fit Jeremy into these disorders,but it doesn't seem to work. The mother bathing the child at an inappropriate age may fit with Brian Blackwell and Gary Ridgway, but surely not with Jeremy( didn't June drop him on the head as a baby anyway and henceforth probably never made physical contact again).

I prefer the scenario that he took a cocktail of drugs just before the murders and was therefore disengaged from his actions, in the same way David Bain learned trancing from his mother and committed the atrocities one step removed from himself. As soon as the effects wore off in each case they both reverted to normal.

Steve, I guess certain things will only come to light when someone opens up and talks about them. Presently, Jeremy is trying to maintain an "everything in the garden was rosy" position. I don't believe he needed a cocktail of drugs to disengage himself from the act. I think he was crystal clear.

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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #386 on: December 11, 2015, 08:18:PM »
Yes and I don't have any specific knowledge in this field. Plotting to kill someone is a sign of disorder, but lending a sympathetic ear to the plan under the guise of infatuation is surely within the same family of disorders.
I completely agree with you Steve.  Imo the 'sympathetic ear' was also disordered but I have no proof of that, just an opinion.
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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #387 on: December 11, 2015, 08:32:PM »
I completely agree with you Steve.  Imo the 'sympathetic ear' was also disordered but I have no proof of that, just an opinion.

 From the little understanding I have, balanced against some of what has been said, I think you are both getting warm.

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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #388 on: December 11, 2015, 10:03:PM »
IF he is a psychopath he would also be a narcissist ....... all psychopaths are narcissists.
I can see the reasoning of him choosing to be a big fish in a very small pond if that was all that was available at the time.
People suffering from NPD naturally suffer from very low self esteem and not all have the opportunity to be a huge fish in a huge pond so they grab what they can get at the time, better to be 'Manager' than an also ran no matter what the context. It's likely JB preferred that than being a farm labourer, even if he was the bosses son.
On the other hand he may just have preferred doing anything than farming and being dogs body to his father.
Even The Little Chef may have felt more glamourous than grubbing on a farm with a load of yokels he had been brought up to believe were inferior to him. :'(

I think in the CAL book it says Jeremy was tested by a respected expert and is not a psychopath.

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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #389 on: December 11, 2015, 10:06:PM »
Yvonne: Julie Mugford



I have described previously the work I do with Jeremy and how we manage to uncover the actual facts of the case.

 We can now show that evidence given by Julie Mugford in her witness statements was manipulated by Essex Police in order to deceive the Jury into the false belief that she was a credible witness of good character.

 How we evaluated a small part of her evidence is detailed below.

 According to Essex Police documentation, Julie Mugford made no fewer than thirteen witness statements to Essex Police. These statements were dated 08.08.85, 08.09.85, 10.09.85, 23.09.85, 14.10.85, 18.11.85, 23.11.85, 09.12.85, 17.12.85, 10.03.86, 08.05.86, 18.05.86 and 05.06.86.

 The statements in bold type have never been disclosed to Jeremy or his Defence Counsel and we only uncovered the existence of these none disclosed statements in June 2015. As yet it is unknown what was included in these missing statements.

 I unearthed this fact in the following way. I created a document based on the Police document referencing system known as the Holmes computer system. Here the Police allocate each document a specific number which details which “box “or “boxes” the document was in and the number of it. So for example Julie Mugford’s first statement was given the police reference of Holmes 6/147, 17/423, 20/30, 33/182, 40/542, 45/115 and 75/73. So as you can see there is not just one copy of this particular statement but several each allocated a separate and unique referencing number by Essex Police.

 By extracting the reference numbers I was able to search the campaign’s document data base in order to detail our reference number alongside the Police one so that we can easily locate the document an example of which is shown below:




 Once all the information had been extracted and a chart created it became evident that  Essex Police have hidden five of Julie Mugford’s statements from Jeremy, his lawyers and the Courts.

 This has been done in the exact same manner for every single person involved in the case, Civilian, Police Officer, doctor etc. The chart which is well over 200 pages in length details well over a thousand individuals in total and several thousand statements and a whole catalogue of anomalies have been revealed. The evidence extracted from this chart is still being analysed.

The served copy
 The “served copy” of Julie Mugford’s statement was the only statement discussed at Trial and the only statement shown to the Defence, the Judge and the Court.

 So what is a served copy? To put it simply Essex Police had the authority to create a single statement cherry picking information from all the statements Julie Mugford had made to include on it.

 I cross referenced the individual statements we have had disclosed against the “served copy” in order to see what exactly had been hidden by Essex Police. To do this cross referencing I firstly typed each of her statements (Including the served copy) into the computer and gave each one of our unique reference numbers. From there I went through each statement word by word and highlighted the words, sentences and paragraphs using a different colour font for the sections that had NOT been included in the served copy.

 Once this had been done I could then create a document where all the omitted paragraphs, and sentences could be detailed and reference made to which statement the information had been extracted from.

 Next I created a simple chart which was made up of a series of boxes like this:




 Finally, on this issue a document was created in the format which we use for the lawyers so that they could have this information in an easy to understand and yet comprehensive form.

 From doing this work it became clear that Essex Police manipulated the evidence of the key Prosecution witness, withholding from the defence, the Trial Judge and the Jury the truth of events, and hiding evidence of numerous criminal activities which had been committed by Julie Mugford ,in order to deceive the court to believing that she was an honest and trustworthy witness.

 Full disclosure of case documents Essex Police still hold including the hidden statements created by Julie Mugford is now required.



Taken from main site - must admit I would love to see ALL her interviews .