Neville's call to Jeremy. A 1% likelihood ?

[Adam]

Adam Sheila probably heard the noise coming from the main bedroom and went to see what was happening or Ralph stood outside her bedroom door and told her to go and look after June then he went downstairs to try and use the phone you know what happened next.

Susan there is virtually no possibility of Sheila waking.

[Adam]

Bamber crept upstairs = No noise. No one woke.

It was 2am. People are usually in a deep sleep =:No noise heard.

Sheila may have been under sedation according to the 2002 appeal = No noise heard.

Her bedroom door may have been shut = No noise audible.

Bamber may have shut main bedroom door before shooting June and Neville = No audible noise for Sheila to hear.

Both bedroom doors may have been shut. Together with a gap of several metres = Impossible for Sheila to hear first ten gun shots.

A silencer was used = Minimal and reduced noise.

The twins did not wake = No noise from them.

June was shot & died in/by the bed = No noise from her. 

Neville & Jeremy went downstairs = Minimal short term noise.

There was a brief but brutal fight = Noise in another part of the large WHF.

Time process from Bamber's WHF entrance to Sheila's killing ,5 - 10 minutes = Short term bits of noise. Mainly downstairs.

[Jane]

Susan there is virtually no possibility of Sheila waking.

Other than that she was a mother so would used to sleeping on alert -probably a very depressed mother. Sleep is illusive to the depressed- who wasn't in a place conducive to her relaxation or her peace of mind. Had there been an earlier discussion about her going to a rest home, this may have unsettled her, making sleep even more difficult. If she'd only JUST fallen asleep by the time Jeremy broke in, she'd probably have been alert in a second. It's a hugely sweeping statement -with nothing to back it up- to say there's virtually no possibility of her waking.

[Adam]

Other than that she was a mother so would used to sleeping on alert -probably a very depressed mother. Sleep is illusive to the depressed- who wasn't in a place conducive to her relaxation or her peace of mind. Had there been an earlier discussion about her going to a rest home, this may have unsettled her, making sleep even more difficult. If she'd only JUST fallen asleep by the time Jeremy broke in, she'd probably have been alert in a second. It's a hugely sweeping statement -with nothing to back it up- to say there's virtually no possibility of her waking.

Nothing to back it up ?

[Adam]

Bamber crept upstairs = No noise. No one woke.

It was 2am. People are usually in a deep sleep =:No noise heard.

Sheila may have been under sedation according to the 2002 appeal = No noise heard.

Her bedroom door may have been shut = No noise audible.

Bamber may have shut main bedroom door before shooting June and Neville = No audible noise for Sheila to hear.

Both bedroom doors may have been shut. Together with a gap of several metres = Impossible for Sheila to hear first ten gun shots.

A silencer was used = Minimal and reduced noise.

The twins did not wake = No noise from them.

June was shot & died in/by the bed = No noise from her. 

Neville & Jeremy went downstairs = Minimal short term noise.

There was a brief but brutal fight = Noise in another part of the large WHF.

Time process from Bamber's WHF entrance to Sheila's killing ,5 - 10 minutes = Short term bits of noise. Mainly downstairs.

[Jane]

Nothing to back it up ?

Only your opinion, which is worth no more -possibly LESS because it's so fixed- than anyone else's.

[Jan]

Bamber crept upstairs = No noise. No one woke.

It was 2am. People are usually in a deep sleep =:No noise heard.

Sheila may have been under sedation according to the 2002 appeal = No noise heard.

Her bedroom door may have been shut = No noise audible.

Bamber may have shut main bedroom door before shooting June and Neville = No audible noise for Sheila to hear.

Both bedroom doors may have been shut. Together with a gap of several metres = Impossible for Sheila to hear first ten gun shots.

A silencer was used = Minimal and reduced noise.

The twins did not wake = No noise from them.

June was shot & died in/by the bed = No noise from her. 

Neville & Jeremy went downstairs = Minimal short term noise.

There was a brief but brutal fight = Noise in another part of the large WHF.

Time process from Bamber's WHF entrance to Sheila's killing ,5 - 10 minutes = Short term bits of noise. Mainly downstairs.

So you are saying people do not scream or shout when they are being shot or in a brutal fight - really?

[Caroline]

So you are saying people do not scream or shout when they are being shot or in a brutal fight - really?

Of course there would be lots of shouting.

[Adam]

I thought June was shot about seven times in quick succession. With her head on the pillow. Once in the throat ?

She was barely able to move a few feet. So doubt she did much shouting.

Neville ran downstairs for whatever reason. Why would he shout ?

Bamber wouldn't be shouting. He wanted a quiet and clinical execution.

[susan]

I thought June was shot about seven times in quick succession. With her head on the pillow. Once in the throat ?

She was barely able to move a few feet. So doubt she did much shouting.

Neville ran downstairs for whatever reason. Why would he shout ?

Bamber wouldn't be shouting. He wanted a quiet and clinical execution.

Adam maybe Ralph shouted at Sheila's bedroom door to wake her up before he went downstairs,

[Caroline]

I thought June was shot about seven times in quick succession. With her head on the pillow. Once in the throat ?

She was barely able to move a few feet. So doubt she did much shouting.

Neville ran downstairs for whatever reason. Why would he shout ?

Bamber wouldn't be shouting. He wanted a quiet and clinical execution.

She walked around the other side of the bed!! Of course there would be shouting "WHAT ARE YOU DOING" "OH MY GOD" "NO" "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE" - to claim the whole thing happened in silence is rather an odd suggestion.

[Jan]

I thought June was shot about seven times in quick succession. With her head on the pillow. Once in the throat ?

She was barely able to move a few feet. So doubt she did much shouting.

Neville ran downstairs for whatever reason. Why would he shout ?

Bamber wouldn't be shouting. He wanted a quiet and clinical execution.

Not according to the oracle

[Jane]

I thought June was shot about seven times in quick succession. With her head on the pillow. Once in the throat ?

She was barely able to move a few feet. So doubt she did much shouting.

Neville ran downstairs for whatever reason. Why would he shout ?

Bamber wouldn't be shouting. He wanted a quiet and clinical execution.

It would be perfectly reasonable -given how Jeremy justified what he was going to do before he did it- for him to explain to his victims his reasons for dispatching them. It wouldn't have been UNreasonable for either parent, at SOME point, to try to reason with him.

[scipio_usmc]

Adam maybe Ralph shouted at Sheila's bedroom door to wake her up before he went downstairs,

His voicebox was severed by the shot to his jaw that lodged in his throat.

[scipio_usmc]

So you are saying people do not scream or shout when they are being shot or in a brutal fight - really?

People involved in a brutal fight are usually busy with the fight not with screaming for help. Nevill could not should because his voicebox was severed and the fight was so far away that Sheila would be unlikely to wake up from it anyway.

June was shot right away in the head and might not have ever woken up sufficiently before being injured to be aware of what was even going on.  She may have simply walked around the bed in a daze before collapsing.