Neville's call to Jeremy. A 1% likelihood ?

[Adam]

You keep ignoring the most stupid parts of his claim.  It would not be difficult for Jeremy to physically carry Sheila around. You are wasting your time trying to say that physically it would not be possible.     

Adam claims Sheila didn't wake up and just let him do it.  He would not be able to carry the rifle at the same time so would have to put her down while she is sleeping still and go fetch it and return. This is not in the least bit credible. If she didn't come out of the room herself because of hearing something then he marched her out at gunpoint he didn't carry her.

If Neville and June were dead perhaps Bamber put the rifle on their bed. Picked Sheila up and then took the gun again and shot her.

I'm not claiming anything. Just saying it's one of about 8 possibilities how Sheila ended up in the main bedroom.

[Jane]

If Neville and June were dead perhaps Bamber put the rifle on their bed. Picked Sheila up and then took the gun again and shot her.

I'm not claiming anything. Just saying it's one of about 8 possibilities how Sheila ended up in the main bedroom.

Just for once, can you not accept that you're probably wrong. You say you're not claiming anything but Jeremy carrying Sheila is the theory you push hardest.

[Adam]

Scipio I'm not ignoring anything it would be very difficult for Jeremy to carry Sheila and yes he wouldn't be able to carry the rifle as well, surely that goes without saying.  I have already said Sheila would wake up right away it's ridiculous to claim she would stay asleep.

As I said it is ten seconds of carrying.

She may partially wake up. But would not have a clue of what was happening until it was way too late.

Or she may not wake at all.

[maggie]

If Neville and June were dead perhaps Bamber put the rifle on their bed. Picked Sheila up and then took the gun again and shot her.

I'm not claiming anything. Just saying it's one of about 8 possibilities how Sheila ended up in the main bedroom.

No it's not.

[maggie]

As I said it is ten seconds of carrying.

She may partially wake up. But would not have a clue of what was happening until it was way too late.

Or she may not wake at all.

I think I'm right in saying you are not a woman, therefore you have no idea how protective a woman would be to herself if lifted up and carried in the dark by a stranger, have you any imagination Adam? It is something which all women instinctively dread and would instinctively fight against. 

[Adam]

Just for once, can you not accept that you're probably wrong. You say you're not claiming anything but Jeremy carrying Sheila is the theory you push hardest.

How can I be wrong about something no one witnessed.

You said Sheila was in the main bedroom praying out loud while Bamber was killing people. People may disagree but can't say you are wrong.

Other people brought up Sheila being carried yesterday. Saying it is impossible.

However Bamber could physically carry Sheila ten feet. After putting the rifle on the bed first of course.

[Steve_uk]

How about Jeremy entering Sheila's bedroom and telling her their father has rung him to tell him there are intruders at the Farm and he has gone downstairs to investigate and he wants Sheila to wait in the master bedroom until Police arrive?

[Adam]

No it's not.

What's not ?

There are loads of ways Sheila ended up in the main bedroom. People have suggested Sheila slept with Neville and June on the night. Which is another one.

[Steve_uk]

Unfortunately for Bamber Julie's WS is totally reliable and believable. Who said so ? Bamber's lawyers.

But Julie and SB carried out a minor cheque book fraud in 1984. So she must be lying. That was the defence's approach at court.

Thread already created called 'Julie's WS, a 'ring of truth ?'.

Adam you've just given me an idea for the title of a new thread: Jeremy's gift of jewellery to Julie: a ring of truth? A pity I'm dog tired and thus brain dead tonight.

[guest154]

What's not ?

There are loads of ways Sheila ended up in the main bedroom. People have suggested Sheila slept with Neville and June on the night. Which is another one.

Dozens of ways, we won't know for sure. But carried is possible.

[maggie]

What's not ?

There are loads of ways Sheila ended up in the main bedroom. People have suggested Sheila slept with Neville and June on the night. Which is another one.

Adam no one has suggested Sheila slept with both of them, don't be ridiculous you are just stirring.  I for one believe it is highly possible Sheila slept in the main bedroom with June that night and that is how she came to be found there on that side of the bed.

[Jane]

How can I be wrong about something no one witnessed.

You said Sheila was in the main bedroom praying out loud while Bamber was killing people. People may disagree but can't say you are wrong.

Other people brought up Sheila being carried yesterday. Saying it is impossible.

However Bamber could physically carry Sheila ten feet. After putting the rifle on the bed first of course.

Are you claiming to be right simply because there is no one to say otherwise?

I don't believe I've ever said Sheila WAS praying out loud. I said she MAY have read the bible out loud through fear which is rather different.

It seems no one else thinks Sheila was carried.

Are you suggesting Jeremy left the rifle in one room whilst he carried Sheila into another room and then went back for it?

[maggie]

How about Jeremy entering Sheila's bedroom and telling her their father has rung him to tell him there are intruders at the Farm and he has gone downstairs to investigate and he wants Sheila to wait in the master bedroom until Police arrive?

That makes more sense Steve.

[scipio_usmc]

If Neville and June were dead perhaps Bamber put the rifle on their bed. Picked Sheila up and then took the gun again and shot her.

I'm not claiming anything. Just saying it's one of about 8 possibilities how Sheila ended up in the main bedroom.

Him putting the gun down to carry her around so that she could possibly grab it is not in the least bit likely...

[David1819]

What's not ?

There are loads of ways Sheila ended up in the main bedroom. People have suggested Sheila slept with Neville and June on the night. Which is another one.

Well Shelias bed was made like no one had slept in it that night. so its possible